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FlyByNyte 04-15-2013 01:03 PM

Didn't necessarily mean an independent union.

highsky 04-15-2013 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by FlyByNyte (Post 1391676)
Imagine the power, respect and camaraderie... if the two super dogs combined dues in an alliance! Real money...Real UNITY!!

Interesting concept.

Mutually Assured Strike Support

MASS would have superiority and shot-calling authority over the entire industry at once.

One union is a unicorn fantasy in the PAX industry.

However, if there will only ever be two oxen pulling the wagon, we can either fight with each other, or we can cooperate, and use our combined brute force to turn on the man holding the whips and chains, dominating him with impunity in perpetuity.

That said, a Fighter 2-ship will always be more effective against an enemy than a 1-ship. The way it ought to be working now is that we want the other other Super Dog to get a contract that is WAY better than our contract. Then we go to our Master and say we want a contract that is WAY better than the other Dogs'. And so on, and so on...

Archie Bunker 04-15-2013 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by navigatro (Post 1391592)
Yeah, AFLouisville has been awfully quiet since his last prediction did not come true.

That's because he's been outed, and he knows that anything he says on this forum from now on has zero credibility.

Also, he knows that 99.9% of the forum members here don't respect him as a man…and why should we? Scab=no conscience, no honor, no integrity. If a man doesn't have these qualities, what good is he?

L'il J.Seinfeld 04-16-2013 04:28 AM

Here's your guaranteed, take it to the bank, predicted announcement date for the Postal contract. Our Purple brothers say it's "shortly." Can't get more certain than that. I figure the contract attorneys on retainer at USPS can squeeze another week's worth of billable hours out of this deal, especially with the Saturday delivery issue. $250 X 40 hours=$10k of easy money for them. I bet shortly means by the end of next week, or by April 26th.


FedEx Corp. said it expects a decision “shortly” from The U.S. Postal Service on whether it will continue providing domestic air transportation services for its First-Class, Priority and Express Mail services.
The Memphis-based shipping giant disclosed that it anticipates a contract announcement soon in its most recent quarterly regulatory filing.
The U.S. Postal Service has solicited proposals for the delivery of these services after FedEx Express’ current contract ends in Sept. 2013. FedEx warned that the services could be transitioned to another provider, and that even if the Memphis-based company does retain the contract, the terms and conditions of the new arrangement may be “less favorable.”
FedEx also said that any changes in the Postal Service’s operations, network, services offerings or pricing could have an adverse result on FedEx’s financial results. Because the independent government agency is both a customer and a vendor for FedEx, the Postal Service’s financial struggles could also have an adverse impact on FedEx.
The Postal Service has said it could run out of money if Congress does not allow it to change its business model and increase profitability. Yesterday, The Postal Service said it would not end Saturday delivery of first-class mail, citing Congressional opposition.
The Daily News Blog » FedEx says it expects Postal Service bid decision “shortly”

Deespatcher 04-16-2013 04:58 AM


Here's your guaranteed, take it to the bank, predicted announcement date for the Postal contract. Our Purple brothers say it's "shortly." Can't get more certain than that. I figure the contract attorneys on retainer at USPS can squeeze another week's worth of billable hours out of this deal, especially with the Saturday delivery issue. $250 X 40 hours=$10k of easy money for them. I bet shortly means by the end of next week, or by April 26th.


FedEx Corp. said it expects a decision “shortly” from The U.S. Postal Service on whether it will continue providing domestic air transportation services for its First-Class, Priority and Express Mail services.
The Memphis-based shipping giant disclosed that it anticipates a contract announcement soon in its most recent quarterly regulatory filing.
The U.S. Postal Service has solicited proposals for the delivery of these services after FedEx Express’ current contract ends in Sept. 2013. FedEx warned that the services could be transitioned to another provider, and that even if the Memphis-based company does retain the contract, the terms and conditions of the new arrangement may be “less favorable.”
FedEx also said that any changes in the Postal Service’s operations, network, services offerings or pricing could have an adverse result on FedEx’s financial results. Because the independent government agency is both a customer and a vendor for FedEx, the Postal Service’s financial struggles could also have an adverse impact on FedEx.
The Postal Service has said it could run out of money if Congress does not allow it to change its business model and increase profitability. Yesterday, The Postal Service said it would not end Saturday delivery of first-class mail, citing Congressional opposition.
The Daily News Blog » FedEx says it expects Postal Service bid decision “shortly”
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I firmly believe that UPS and FDX already know at some level what the outcome will be. This is FDX's way of softening the impact of a lower percentage/revenue ahead of the announcement, possibly so the stock won't take a big hit should the USPS contract actually be announced. UPS doesn't seem to be as concerned a) since they are worried investor relations or b) just wants the bump from a positive announcing in order to cash in some options.

The whole back and forth on the Saturday delivery issue is partially to blame for the delay, but really it is the post office... I'm sure the announcement is in the mail. I say it will be announced by the end of April, but I'm not willing to commit to a specific year.

CactusCrew 04-16-2013 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by Deespatcher (Post 1392010)
... I'm sure the announcement is in the mail. I say it will be announced by the end of April, but I'm not willing to commit to a specific year.


I'll narrow it down to the day !

It will be a Friday afternoon announcement in 2013 ... ;)

:D

Commando 04-16-2013 06:09 AM

Instead of trying to guess the Day it is finally announced, how about the Final Percentage.

FDX-61%
UPS-24%
Others-15%

freightretriever 04-16-2013 06:15 AM

Guess
 

Originally Posted by Commando (Post 1392068)
Instead of trying to guess the Day it is finally announced, how about the Final Percentage.

FDX-61%
UPS-24%
Others-15%

UPS - 0%

goes right along with their slogan - expectation zero

kc10/c130 04-16-2013 10:50 AM

UPS 70%
Fedex 20%
Jims parcel delivery, tire, & haircare 10%

Take it to the bank :p

L'il J.Seinfeld 04-16-2013 11:59 AM

I see all 44 recalled and 100 new hires by year's end. (Yeah, I said it).

aflouisville 04-16-2013 12:02 PM

I think you are absolutely correct

navigatro 04-16-2013 12:11 PM

Welcome back, AF!
hope you are correct

Swedish Blender 04-16-2013 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld (Post 1392295)
I see all 44 recalled and 100 new hires by year's end. (Yeah, I said it).

So apparently you are s believer of the NURP propaganda even though S Davus has said we can absorb any USPS into our current system.

Sort like NURPS telling us every 6 months in recurrent that the company had planned on recalling everybody but something always comes up.

Let's see, 44 furloughed families save UPS 6-8 million a year when they make 4 billion a year and line holders can't trip trade due to staffing.

I hope they return sooner than later, but I'm not holding my breath for any good news.

FR8TFLYER 04-16-2013 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by aflouisville (Post 1392297)
I think you are absolutely correct

Go away you worthless POS!

Commando 04-16-2013 02:19 PM

Seinfeld is just as bad as AfLousiville. He has is nose up some ACP's butt and knows Zip about anything. Just some guy who got through the cracks and has no grasp.

Actually the way he blows sunshine, hopefully is an ACP.

8out 04-16-2013 03:14 PM

scab
 

I think you are absolutely correct
I think you are a worthless scab.

aflouisville 04-16-2013 03:16 PM

I am a gentleman. I will withhold my public feelings. If you want to meet and discuss this, pm me

L'il J.Seinfeld 04-16-2013 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 1392385)
Seinfeld is just as bad as AfLousiville. He has is nose up some ACP's butt and knows Zip about anything. Just some guy who got through the cracks and has no grasp.

Actually the way he blows sunshine, hopefully is an ACP.

Nope. It's called observing the facts. Of course Davis says we can absorb it into the system. What else could he say?

Now that the scab has joined in my prediction won't be true.

golfandfly 04-16-2013 09:48 PM

I hope UPS gets none of the postal contract....

Daniel Larusso 04-16-2013 10:20 PM

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CactusCrew 04-17-2013 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by golfandfly (Post 1392673)
I hope UPS gets none of the postal contract....


Caddyshack - youll get nothing and like it - YouTube

JustUnderPar 04-17-2013 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by golfandfly (Post 1392673)
I hope UPS gets none of the postal contract....

Yeah. I hope FedEx keeps it all too. It only makes sense. :rolleyes:

Sideshow Bob 04-17-2013 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld (Post 1392483)
Nope. It's called observing the facts. Of course Davis says we can absorb it into the system. What else could he say?

Now that the scab has joined in my prediction won't be true.

Nice hedge there Jerry. :D

package puppy 04-17-2013 03:17 PM

I've heard the reason for the delay is congress is in negotiations with UPS for them to completely take over the post office. They figure with UPS' new math and their interpretation of labor contract language, they could eliminate half the workforce without any service disruption! Hey, UPS didn't buy that brownstone on K Street for nothing! ;)

Tyman 04-18-2013 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by aflouisville (Post 1392422)
I am a gentleman. I will withhold my public feelings. If you want to meet and discuss this, pm me

You call stabbing union pilots in the back by crossing a picket line(s) being a gentleman??? Crawl back in your cave. No one cares what you think.

aflouisville 04-18-2013 11:49 AM

you are a coward. If I was 6 inches from your face, you wouldn't say that stuff.

golfandfly 04-18-2013 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by aflouisville (Post 1393804)
you are a coward. If I was 6 inches from your face, you wouldn't say that stuff.

Are you six years old?

FR8TFLYER 04-18-2013 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by aflouisville (Post 1393804)
you are a coward. If I was 6 inches from your face, you wouldn't say that stuff.

You are the coward with no spine. Scabs are lower than whale ****!

Swedish Blender 04-18-2013 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by aflouisville (Post 1393804)
you are a coward. If I was 6 inches from your face, you wouldn't say that stuff.

Wow, SCAB and keyboard commando.

So you're saying you would assault someone for telling you what you are to your face. I'm sure someone would be happy to have some of your retirement after the assault.

aflouisville 04-18-2013 01:23 PM

Never said I would assault anyone. Just said that a coward wouldn't be brave enough to say that to my face

MeXC 04-18-2013 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by aflouisville (Post 1392422)
I am a gentleman. I will withhold my public feelings. If you want to meet and discuss this, pm me


Speaking of gentlemen, Jack London had this to say:

"Judas Iscariot was a gentleman compared with a scab."

He said more but I thought this sentence appropriate, Sir Gentleman.

Tyman 04-19-2013 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by aflouisville (Post 1393804)
you are a coward. If I was 6 inches from your face, you wouldn't say that stuff.

Hardly a coward, SCAB. I guess the truth hurts.

ONCE A SCAB, ALWAYS A SCAB - NEVER FORGET!

"A SCAB takes your job, a Job he could not get under normal circumstances. He can only advance himself by taking advantage of labor
disputes and walking over the backs of workers trying to maintain decent wages and working conditions. He helps management to destroy his
and your profession, often ending up under conditions he/she wouldn't even have scabbed for. No matter. A SCAB doesn't think long term,
nor does he think of anything other then himself. His smile shows fangs that drip with your blood, for he willingly destroys families, lives,
careers, opportunities and professions at the drop of a hat. He takes from a striker what he knows he could never earn by his own merit: a
decent Job. He steals that which others earned at the bargaining table through blood, sweat and tears, and throws it away in an instant -
ruining lives, jobs and careers."

L'il J.Seinfeld 04-19-2013 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Tyman (Post 1394555)
Hardly a coward, SCAB. I guess the truth hurts.

ONCE A SCAB, ALWAYS A SCAB - NEVER FORGET!

"A SCAB takes your job, a Job he could not get under normal circumstances. He can only advance himself by taking advantage of labor
disputes and walking over the backs of workers trying to maintain decent wages and working conditions. He helps management to destroy his
and your profession, often ending up under conditions he/she wouldn't even have scabbed for. No matter. A SCAB doesn't think long term,
nor does he think of anything other then himself. His smile shows fangs that drip with your blood, for he willingly destroys families, lives,
careers, opportunities and professions at the drop of a hat. He takes from a striker what he knows he could never earn by his own merit: a
decent Job. He steals that which others earned at the bargaining table through blood, sweat and tears, and throws it away in an instant -
ruining lives, jobs and careers."

Than not then!

Tyman 04-19-2013 02:50 PM

My bad. I don't have an MBA. :-)

Tyman 04-19-2013 03:46 PM

I guess AF is busy looking for another picket line to cross.

Jonathan E 04-20-2013 09:01 AM

I recently heard one notion about the announcement holdup. UPS is negotiating with the teamsters and doesn't want the postal announcement made until the ink is dry on the contract.

Hmmm.

matty 04-20-2013 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by Jonathan E (Post 1395040)
I recently heard one notion about the announcement holdup. UPS is negotiating with the teamsters and doesn't want the postal announcement made until the ink is dry on the contract.

Hmmm.

What would prevent FedEx or the USPS from announcing the agreement? They don't care what the Teamsters want...

aflouisville 04-20-2013 12:05 PM

That might be true. UPS wanted to settle with the Teamsters by 3/31. It did not happen

Tyman 04-20-2013 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by aflouisville (Post 1395111)
That might be true. UPS wanted to settle with the Teamsters by 3/31. It did not happen

Had the the question of the Teamsters being wrapped up prior to that date on this board, I'm sure you would've filled us all in on the inside scoop.

Unknown Rider 04-20-2013 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by aflouisville (Post 1395111)
That might be true. UPS wanted to settle with the Teamsters by 3/31. It did not happen


Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket!:rolleyes:


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