FedEx bid/passover seat lock
01-25-2013, 12:44 PM
#11
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There actually is...
24.E.5. New Hire Crew Positions
a. During his initial new hire training, each pilot shall be presented with appropriate information regarding crew position vacancies available for bid. A new hire pilot's initial crew position shall be determined by his standing bid and seniority.
b. If the Company hires fewer pilots than the number of unfilled vacancies available to be filled by new hires, the Company may designate the crew positions to be made available for bidding by only the affected new hire pilots in accordance with Section 24.E.5.a. (above).
c. If the Company subsequently hires additional pilots to fill new hire crew positions remaining unfilled from a posting, the remaining unfilled crew positions shall first be available for award to the pilots previously hired to fill positions from that posting, based upon their seniority and initial standing bid; provided, however, that this paragraph shall not permit a new hire pilot to change his initial crew status.
d. If, through the application of Section 24.E.5.c. (above), a junior pilot is activated into a crew position for which a senior pilot(s) did not have the opportunity to bid, the eligible senior pilot(s) shall be paid passover pay in the same manner described in Section 24.D.2.b., D.2.c., and D.2.d.
...how I read that, and how it has applied in the past, is that if viperdriver bid:
1 777FO MEM 100
2 MD-11FO MEM 100
3 Airbus FO MEM 100
on this bid and was awarded none of those, then they have a newhire class and put one newhire pilot into the Airbus in MEM, viperdriver would get passover when that newhire activates in Bus.
Now, the question is if they put that newhire into the MD in ANC, would viperdriver get passover, because it is NOT on his standing bid? Paragraph c above makes it sound like no, he would not.
24.E.5. New Hire Crew Positions
a. During his initial new hire training, each pilot shall be presented with appropriate information regarding crew position vacancies available for bid. A new hire pilot's initial crew position shall be determined by his standing bid and seniority.
b. If the Company hires fewer pilots than the number of unfilled vacancies available to be filled by new hires, the Company may designate the crew positions to be made available for bidding by only the affected new hire pilots in accordance with Section 24.E.5.a. (above).
c. If the Company subsequently hires additional pilots to fill new hire crew positions remaining unfilled from a posting, the remaining unfilled crew positions shall first be available for award to the pilots previously hired to fill positions from that posting, based upon their seniority and initial standing bid; provided, however, that this paragraph shall not permit a new hire pilot to change his initial crew status.
d. If, through the application of Section 24.E.5.c. (above), a junior pilot is activated into a crew position for which a senior pilot(s) did not have the opportunity to bid, the eligible senior pilot(s) shall be paid passover pay in the same manner described in Section 24.D.2.b., D.2.c., and D.2.d.
...how I read that, and how it has applied in the past, is that if viperdriver bid:
1 777FO MEM 100
2 MD-11FO MEM 100
3 Airbus FO MEM 100
on this bid and was awarded none of those, then they have a newhire class and put one newhire pilot into the Airbus in MEM, viperdriver would get passover when that newhire activates in Bus.
Now, the question is if they put that newhire into the MD in ANC, would viperdriver get passover, because it is NOT on his standing bid? Paragraph c above makes it sound like no, he would not.
See my earlier post, if he bids A300 and does not get it they cant put a new hire in that seat either. Think of it this way, new hires can only go into seats left vacant after a posting closes. They can hire every one of those vacancy's without offering any of those seats again to existing pilots but once they run another bid the same sequence starts and the only way they can hire into a seat is into the newest batch of unclaimed seats.
01-25-2013, 12:52 PM
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There actually is...
24.E.5. New Hire Crew Positions
a. During his initial new hire training, each pilot shall be presented with appropriate information regarding crew position vacancies available for bid. A new hire pilot's initial crew position shall be determined by his standing bid and seniority.
b. If the Company hires fewer pilots than the number of unfilled vacancies available to be filled by new hires, the Company may designate the crew positions to be made available for bidding by only the affected new hire pilots in accordance with Section 24.E.5.a. (above).
c. If the Company subsequently hires additional pilots to fill new hire crew positions remaining unfilled from a posting, the remaining unfilled crew positions shall first be available for award to the pilots previously hired to fill positions from that posting, based upon their seniority and initial standing bid; provided, however, that this paragraph shall not permit a new hire pilot to change his initial crew status.
d. If, through the application of Section 24.E.5.c. (above), a junior pilot is activated into a crew position for which a senior pilot(s) did not have the opportunity to bid, the eligible senior pilot(s) shall be paid passover pay in the same manner described in Section 24.D.2.b., D.2.c., and D.2.d.
...how I read that, and how it has applied in the past, is that if viperdriver bid:
1 777FO MEM 100
2 MD-11FO MEM 100
3 Airbus FO MEM 100
on this bid and was awarded none of those, then they have a newhire class and put one newhire pilot into the Airbus in MEM, viperdriver would get passover when that newhire activates in Bus.
Now, the question is if they put that newhire into the MD in ANC, would viperdriver get passover, because it is NOT on his standing bid? Paragraph c above makes it sound like no, he would not.
24.E.5. New Hire Crew Positions
a. During his initial new hire training, each pilot shall be presented with appropriate information regarding crew position vacancies available for bid. A new hire pilot's initial crew position shall be determined by his standing bid and seniority.
b. If the Company hires fewer pilots than the number of unfilled vacancies available to be filled by new hires, the Company may designate the crew positions to be made available for bidding by only the affected new hire pilots in accordance with Section 24.E.5.a. (above).
c. If the Company subsequently hires additional pilots to fill new hire crew positions remaining unfilled from a posting, the remaining unfilled crew positions shall first be available for award to the pilots previously hired to fill positions from that posting, based upon their seniority and initial standing bid; provided, however, that this paragraph shall not permit a new hire pilot to change his initial crew status.
d. If, through the application of Section 24.E.5.c. (above), a junior pilot is activated into a crew position for which a senior pilot(s) did not have the opportunity to bid, the eligible senior pilot(s) shall be paid passover pay in the same manner described in Section 24.D.2.b., D.2.c., and D.2.d.
...how I read that, and how it has applied in the past, is that if viperdriver bid:
1 777FO MEM 100
2 MD-11FO MEM 100
3 Airbus FO MEM 100
on this bid and was awarded none of those, then they have a newhire class and put one newhire pilot into the Airbus in MEM, viperdriver would get passover when that newhire activates in Bus.
Now, the question is if they put that newhire into the MD in ANC, would viperdriver get passover, because it is NOT on his standing bid? Paragraph c above makes it sound like no, he would not.
01-25-2013, 03:57 PM
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There actually is...
24.E.5. New Hire Crew Positions
a. During his initial new hire training, each pilot shall be presented with appropriate information regarding crew position vacancies available for bid. A new hire pilot's initial crew position shall be determined by his standing bid and seniority.
b. If the Company hires fewer pilots than the number of unfilled vacancies available to be filled by new hires, the Company may designate the crew positions to be made available for bidding by only the affected new hire pilots in accordance with Section 24.E.5.a. (above).
c. If the Company subsequently hires additional pilots to fill new hire crew positions remaining unfilled from a posting, the remaining unfilled crew positions shall first be available for award to the pilots previously hired to fill positions from that posting, based upon their seniority and initial standing bid; provided, however, that this paragraph shall not permit a new hire pilot to change his initial crew status.
d. If, through the application of Section 24.E.5.c. (above), a junior pilot is activated into a crew position for which a senior pilot(s) did not have the opportunity to bid, the eligible senior pilot(s) shall be paid passover pay in the same manner described in Section 24.D.2.b., D.2.c., and D.2.d.
...how I read that, and how it has applied in the past, is that if viperdriver bid:
1 777FO MEM 100
2 MD-11FO MEM 100
3 Airbus FO MEM 100
on this bid and was awarded none of those, then they have a newhire class and put one newhire pilot into the Airbus in MEM, viperdriver would get passover when that newhire activates in Bus.
Now, the question is if they put that newhire into the MD in ANC, would viperdriver get passover, because it is NOT on his standing bid? Paragraph c above makes it sound like no, he would not.
24.E.5. New Hire Crew Positions
a. During his initial new hire training, each pilot shall be presented with appropriate information regarding crew position vacancies available for bid. A new hire pilot's initial crew position shall be determined by his standing bid and seniority.
b. If the Company hires fewer pilots than the number of unfilled vacancies available to be filled by new hires, the Company may designate the crew positions to be made available for bidding by only the affected new hire pilots in accordance with Section 24.E.5.a. (above).
c. If the Company subsequently hires additional pilots to fill new hire crew positions remaining unfilled from a posting, the remaining unfilled crew positions shall first be available for award to the pilots previously hired to fill positions from that posting, based upon their seniority and initial standing bid; provided, however, that this paragraph shall not permit a new hire pilot to change his initial crew status.
d. If, through the application of Section 24.E.5.c. (above), a junior pilot is activated into a crew position for which a senior pilot(s) did not have the opportunity to bid, the eligible senior pilot(s) shall be paid passover pay in the same manner described in Section 24.D.2.b., D.2.c., and D.2.d.
...how I read that, and how it has applied in the past, is that if viperdriver bid:
1 777FO MEM 100
2 MD-11FO MEM 100
3 Airbus FO MEM 100
on this bid and was awarded none of those, then they have a newhire class and put one newhire pilot into the Airbus in MEM, viperdriver would get passover when that newhire activates in Bus.
Now, the question is if they put that newhire into the MD in ANC, would viperdriver get passover, because it is NOT on his standing bid? Paragraph c above makes it sound like no, he would not.
01-25-2013, 05:06 PM
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I was on the back of the 72 when the nuggets were hired. It didn't affect me, but I seem to remember the engineers that were hired prior to the nuggets getting passover once the nuggets activated into ANC. Assuming they had MD-11 FO ANC on their standing bid. They were on property, there was no unfilled MD-11 FO ANC seats left unfilled from a previous bid, the company put newhires into that seat and they did not have the opportunity to bid for it.
If one of those guys/gals are on here, could you clear up if you received passover due to the nuggets going to ANC...
Again, I could be wrong, but I believe that's how the company applied that paragraph back then.
01-25-2013, 05:17 PM
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If there are unfilled seats then by definition you had the opportunity to bid on them in the previous posting and didn't.
That is interesting about the wording in 25.E, I hadn't thought about that provision.
The bottom line is though, they are hiring into vacancies left over from the previous bid that Viper had the opportunity to bid on, as 4A2B points out.
Again, bottom line is call contract enforcement.
Sorry for any bad gouge.
That is interesting about the wording in 25.E, I hadn't thought about that provision.
The bottom line is though, they are hiring into vacancies left over from the previous bid that Viper had the opportunity to bid on, as 4A2B points out.
Again, bottom line is call contract enforcement.
Sorry for any bad gouge.
01-25-2013, 07:27 PM
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I think I am, too.
I was on the back of the 72 when the nuggets were hired. It didn't affect me, but I seem to remember the engineers that were hired prior to the nuggets getting passover once the nuggets activated into ANC. Assuming they had MD-11 FO ANC on their standing bid. They were on property, there was no unfilled MD-11 FO ANC seats left unfilled from a previous bid, the company put newhires into that seat and they did not have the opportunity to bid for it.
If one of those guys/gals are on here, could you clear up if you received passover due to the nuggets going to ANC...
Again, I could be wrong, but I believe that's how the company applied that paragraph back then.
I was on the back of the 72 when the nuggets were hired. It didn't affect me, but I seem to remember the engineers that were hired prior to the nuggets getting passover once the nuggets activated into ANC. Assuming they had MD-11 FO ANC on their standing bid. They were on property, there was no unfilled MD-11 FO ANC seats left unfilled from a previous bid, the company put newhires into that seat and they did not have the opportunity to bid for it.
If one of those guys/gals are on here, could you clear up if you received passover due to the nuggets going to ANC...
Again, I could be wrong, but I believe that's how the company applied that paragraph back then.
Bottom line the OP will never get passover again for a new hire being hired because once this bid closes he will have had the opportunity to bid any seat that they can subsequently hire into.
01-26-2013, 07:38 PM
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01-27-2013, 03:02 AM
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I think I am, too.
I was on the back of the 72 when the nuggets were hired. It didn't affect me, but I seem to remember the engineers that were hired prior to the nuggets getting passover once the nuggets activated into ANC. Assuming they had MD-11 FO ANC on their standing bid. They were on property, there was no unfilled MD-11 FO ANC seats left unfilled from a previous bid, the company put newhires into that seat and they did not have the opportunity to bid for it.
If one of those guys/gals are on here, could you clear up if you received passover due to the nuggets going to ANC...
Again, I could be wrong, but I believe that's how the company applied that paragraph back then.
I was on the back of the 72 when the nuggets were hired. It didn't affect me, but I seem to remember the engineers that were hired prior to the nuggets getting passover once the nuggets activated into ANC. Assuming they had MD-11 FO ANC on their standing bid. They were on property, there was no unfilled MD-11 FO ANC seats left unfilled from a previous bid, the company put newhires into that seat and they did not have the opportunity to bid for it.
If one of those guys/gals are on here, could you clear up if you received passover due to the nuggets going to ANC...
Again, I could be wrong, but I believe that's how the company applied that paragraph back then.
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