China Southern so cheap they wont deice
01-19-2013, 08:11 AM
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According to Google, that flight goes NRT to CAN.
So, you are entering communist China, do you really want to call the Captain to task?
Perhaps show him the pics you took?
You might get to meet the local cops, and have a little visit to the big house on some trumped up charges.
They would also take your camera to destroy the evidence.
Personally, I am of the opinion that the OP did the right thing.
Of course, you guys do what you want.
So, you are entering communist China, do you really want to call the Captain to task?
Perhaps show him the pics you took?
You might get to meet the local cops, and have a little visit to the big house on some trumped up charges.
They would also take your camera to destroy the evidence.
Personally, I am of the opinion that the OP did the right thing.
Of course, you guys do what you want.
I,m sure the crew was well aware of what they had on the wings and showing pictures would be a moot point.
01-19-2013, 10:37 AM
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Um, pardon me for not finding the value in this. What would you see being the best possible outcome should your suggested course of action have come to pass?
01-19-2013, 10:57 AM
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01-19-2013, 11:03 AM
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01-19-2013, 11:19 AM
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01-19-2013, 03:09 PM
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Sunburn:
Good on ya for raising the BS flag and keeping the rest of us safe. I had a similar experience years ago on a domestic carrier. I complained twice to the head Stu before take off, and the carrier pulled off the taxiway to deice. I was later thanked by the captain. (Ground crew had lied to flight crew that plane was deiced when it was not. I witnessed the entire affair).
I would file a complaint with the FAA since CZ flies into the US. I would also be careful when going thru China as they may find some way of retaliating against you. Might want to contact the embassy and consulate in PVG and CAN in case they come knocking on your hotel room in the middle of the night. Let them know what happened. Get a local phone number in case. Don't go anywhere in Chicom without a wingman.
Good on ya for raising the BS flag and keeping the rest of us safe. I had a similar experience years ago on a domestic carrier. I complained twice to the head Stu before take off, and the carrier pulled off the taxiway to deice. I was later thanked by the captain. (Ground crew had lied to flight crew that plane was deiced when it was not. I witnessed the entire affair).
I would file a complaint with the FAA since CZ flies into the US. I would also be careful when going thru China as they may find some way of retaliating against you. Might want to contact the embassy and consulate in PVG and CAN in case they come knocking on your hotel room in the middle of the night. Let them know what happened. Get a local phone number in case. Don't go anywhere in Chicom without a wingman.
01-21-2013, 05:14 AM
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I was wondering if this could happen at all the airports and all the Chinese airlines? The other day we were sitting at ICN airport, and everyone was de-icing, Korean air, Asiana, Cathay, Thai, Singapore and of course there were delays for everyone. But I saw all the Chinese airlines taxi out, line up and off they go.
I think it has more to do with keeping your bonuses than airline not allowing deice. I wonder what would happen to your safety bonus when you crash and burn?
I think it has more to do with keeping your bonuses than airline not allowing deice. I wonder what would happen to your safety bonus when you crash and burn?
01-21-2013, 07:31 AM
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To be fair to the guys in question (who no longer have jobs), they didn't overfly. ATC made them fly past the airport and populated areas to perform a series of confidence maneuvers. Every knows what they did wrong but nobody has heard the story of [b]what ATC and the company screwed up.Remember, it is almost always a chain of mistakes that lead to an accident.
Also, if, again IF that was the case, who's to say they would have answered an ACARS or SelCall (if applicable) message from company?
I'm not bashing those guys. But sadly it's been proven, at the end of the day, the responsibility falls on the crew.
If it can be passed down to the lowest level/highest profile level of accountability, it will.
And yes, you're right. It would be interesting to see what th fallout was on the ATC/dispatch end was.
01-21-2013, 07:48 AM
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According to Google, that flight goes NRT to CAN.
So, you are entering communist China, do you really want to call the Captain to task?
Perhaps show him the pics you took?
You might get to meet the local cops, and have a little visit to the big house on some trumped up charges.
They would also take your camera to destroy the evidence.
Personally, I am of the opinion that the OP did the right thing.
Of course, you guys do what you want.
So, you are entering communist China, do you really want to call the Captain to task?
Perhaps show him the pics you took?
You might get to meet the local cops, and have a little visit to the big house on some trumped up charges.
They would also take your camera to destroy the evidence.
Personally, I am of the opinion that the OP did the right thing.
Of course, you guys do what you want.
It probably would have been OK, but you could end up PNGed. The OP could still end up PNG if they find out who he is...
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