4A2B

I think this type of issue is one that management takes a long hard look at, for a number of reasons. First let me say I think we should be deadheading on US carriers when that option is available, period. Secondly I am glad we are having a discussion of "what could have happened", plain lucky this was not a crash. All that being said, if the Company knee jerk reacted to every situation that could result in blacklisting a service provider I am pretty sure we could shut down the airline in a hurry.

It is important to remember that every airline has major mistakes, is it a "culture" problem? Was this a "rouge" or simply incompetent pilot problem? Well I do not recall cries for getting us off brand X when say they landed on a taxi way or brand Y flew 200 plus miles past their destination? I am not defending the airline in question, just inserting some reality into the mix. Is it easier to know that a carrier is safer if it is under FAA scrutiny? maybe. Lastly I know our Company uses a risk assessment vendor to decide which airlines are going to be used and I also know that our own airline would probably still be a no fly carrier if we had a pax op, just the facts.

I hope that we see a movement towards US or long standing equivalent or better carriers to move us around and that probably should include limiting or a complete suspension on using this carrier but I for one will give the Company a little time to make an analysis. If in the interim I was scheduled on this carrier I personally would avoid them, either through a request of pairing change or if necessary I would deviate until we see a reply to these reports.

MaxKts

When did this happen and what carrier?

4A2B

you must have been living under a rock , it is in the news even today due to the push for limiting or banning PED's. Just google it but to answer your Q it was the former carrier based in Minnesota.

MaxKts

Not living under a rock! I just don't remember any part of the story that said they overflew by 200 miles. In fact, the FAA's reference to 150 miles is an exaggeration!

Who knows, before the end of the year it will probably be; they overflew by 500 miles and landed on fumes with one engine flamed out and a flight attendant at the controls because the crew was passed out drunk and flying in their underwear!

USMCFLYR

Because the importance of/disturbing part of the event is based on the exact distance of the overflight?

4A2B

sorry I was making a SWAG as part of my points. I guess in my eyes call it flying over your destination by 1 mile, at cruise, probably is the same level of mistake regardless of the track miles flown past that point since TOD is generally about 125 miles out. not throwing stones just trying to say sometimes we all need a look in the mirror and hopefully the crew in question in this thread was the problem and not the airline directing this by not wanting to pay for de-ice fluid!

Gunter

Call corp travel and talk to the agent that used to book FDX executive travel. Let us know if China Southern would be ok for them.

4A2B

what's his/her name? ... so what you are saying is that China Southern is not approved for execs to ride on? If so I suggest you send that info to the Union with details because iI agree that would be very useful!

fdx727pilot

A little birdie told me CZ has been removed from the approved DH carrier list.

2dogs

I'm thinkin' that little birdie is crappin' in the wrong tree because I'm still DHing on them next trip.