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Old 03-05-2013, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Huck
"We used to from bar to bar at mach 85,
now we go from mall to mall at mach 80."
How the mighty have fallen...
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:55 AM
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Final's out.

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Old 03-11-2013, 11:06 AM
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How so Huck?
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:02 PM
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I'm really curious how the 9 current 727 captains who were awarded 757 on this bid and have been receiving passover pay for years (all WB captains for pay) think they're going to get away with not paying back the POP? A quick read of Section 24.D.2.c. shows one has to move up the pay scale on an "different intervening award" to avoid paying POP back.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:21 PM
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Exempt when lateral bidding to equipment that was not available at the time of bidding when POP was initiated???
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:33 PM
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Exempt when lateral bidding to equipment that was not available at the time of bidding when POP was initiated???
That's a good idea, but certainly not in the language. The wording seems pretty clear, as do the examples in the table. Bid award must be to a higher paying seat, or you pay POP back. Doesn't have to be to the seat the POP was paid at, just higher paying than current seat.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by av8rmike
That's a good idea, but certainly not in the language. The wording seems pretty clear, as do the examples in the table. Bid award must be to a higher paying seat, or you pay POP back. Doesn't have to be to the seat the POP was paid at, just higher paying than current seat.
Flew with a LCA on the 72 that had WB passover and bid the 757 on a subsequent posting. He said that because he was an LCA he was exempt from POP. I asked where the reference in the contract he saw that was but I didn't get an answer. I think he may be in for a surprise unless a posting with an intervening award back to WB comes out before ITU starts...
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by av8rmike
A quick read of Section 24.D.2.c. shows one has to move up the pay scale on an "different intervening award" to avoid paying POP back.
A more thorough read shows as long as you don't bid down, or back to your "current" seat, you're in the clear.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FXDX
How so Huck?
Because I was closer to narrow-body captain when I hired in here in 2002 than I was on this bid....
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Originally Posted by Spur
A more thorough read shows as long as you don't bid down, or back to your "current" seat, you're in the clear.
You're exactly correct on the language. However, the examples on the sample table only grant exceptions if the follow on award is at a higher pay rate. If you had an Airbus F/O Flex getting POP who decided to bid over to the 11 F/O seat and actually trained in that seat, do you think he'd be exempt from POP payback? I have no problem with POP, just with people getting it for years and years and then making a lateral jump. They got paid WB, they need to go to the WB. If they had quit their instructor positions on the 72 at any time (or got fired), their two choices would have been to to to training on the POP WB aircraft or pay back all the POP. This stinks of favoritism and selective contract application...
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