Flying with non ALPA members
11-05-2012, 07:26 PM
#42
Organizational Learning
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Directly behind the combiner
Posts: 4,948
As I undertake the composition of this post, a voice keeps ringing in the back of my mind, "Don't feed the troll."
Still, I type ...
For someone who seems to want to be regarded as intelligent and cerebral, you seem to have a knack for, and take great delight in asking stupid questions. To wit:
Of course you know the answer to that question. The Railway Labor Act requires that the Collective Bargaining Agent provide the same representation under the Collective Bargaining Agreement for every member of the class or craft -- that is, every pilot. The collective bargaining agent -- the union -- doesn't have the luxury of denying representation to a free-loading pilot, so it doesn't need to answer your "simple" question. (By the way, if by simple you meant stupid or naive, I agree, it was.)
(You also know that the International Brotherhood of Teamsters must follow the same law for the members it represents who fall under the RLA -- like you, a pilot.)
Ah, another good synonym for simple. Asinine and foolish would also aptly describe your argument. It's a common method to feign ignorance of the truth and then to construct a case against the invented falsehood. You may as well be Br'er Rabbit tangling with your own tar baby.
As you well know, again, ALPA members are charged the same percentage (not about the same, exactly the same) on duesable income. A pilot who makes more dollars pays more dollars. Beyond the involvement of dollars, there is little resemblance to the U.S. Federal Tax code to which you make a comparison.
Many of us wouldn't mind if the IRS were to take a page from the ALPA playbook and implement a flat tax structure, but that deserves another thread. Regardless, I doubt you'll find many people here who will agrue that the U.S. system of assessing federal taxes is all that great. It's ridiculous to insinuate it's the same system that ALPA uses, and then ask ALPA to justify it. That's the tar baby, and the one who tangles with it is the moron. I think Busboy already alluded to your role in that process.
Once again, willful ignorance begats distorted misquotes and futile arguments against phantom foes. Nowhere did Busboy argue that low wage pilots pay no union dues. Your description of them as grifters and scammers is patently offensive.
I won't even tread on the subject of "the 47%" since I can't hide behind a Moderator shield. We all know that politics is off limits, and most of us honor that rule. Be content that your intentional distortion will not be challenged -- but you knew that from the moment you posted it. Double standard ...
Doublethink ...
Hey, you know what comes up when you Google "doublethink"? The first entry is a Wikipedia article, and it has a partial quote from Nineteen Eighty-Four, a work of fiction by George Orwell. Oh, wait, you found that identical partial quote:
"The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."
Orwell
The appearance of real cerebral stuff, but in fact, it's nothing more than your tar baby.
Thanks for the entertainment. We always know we can count on you to return when you see an opportunity to criticize ALPA.
Thanks for playing.
Hotel standby is hazardous to my health.
.
Still, I type ...
For someone who seems to want to be regarded as intelligent and cerebral, you seem to have a knack for, and take great delight in asking stupid questions. To wit:
(You also know that the International Brotherhood of Teamsters must follow the same law for the members it represents who fall under the RLA -- like you, a pilot.)
As you well know, again, ALPA members are charged the same percentage (not about the same, exactly the same) on duesable income. A pilot who makes more dollars pays more dollars. Beyond the involvement of dollars, there is little resemblance to the U.S. Federal Tax code to which you make a comparison.
Many of us wouldn't mind if the IRS were to take a page from the ALPA playbook and implement a flat tax structure, but that deserves another thread. Regardless, I doubt you'll find many people here who will agrue that the U.S. system of assessing federal taxes is all that great. It's ridiculous to insinuate it's the same system that ALPA uses, and then ask ALPA to justify it. That's the tar baby, and the one who tangles with it is the moron. I think Busboy already alluded to your role in that process.
I won't even tread on the subject of "the 47%" since I can't hide behind a Moderator shield. We all know that politics is off limits, and most of us honor that rule. Be content that your intentional distortion will not be challenged -- but you knew that from the moment you posted it. Double standard ...
Doublethink ...
Hey, you know what comes up when you Google "doublethink"? The first entry is a Wikipedia article, and it has a partial quote from Nineteen Eighty-Four, a work of fiction by George Orwell. Oh, wait, you found that identical partial quote:
"The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."
Orwell
Thanks for playing.
Hotel standby is hazardous to my health.
.
11-05-2012, 07:53 PM
#43
With The Resistance
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
Posts: 6,191
Nice Tony, I once respected you, but despite all the rhetoric you never answered the question. How is fair not the same for everyone?
If you don't want to be forever lumped with the rest of the grifters, start treating everyone the same and stop hiding behind union excuses.
Asinine and foolish? Take a look in the mirror.
Glad we could have this little chat.
If you don't want to be forever lumped with the rest of the grifters, start treating everyone the same and stop hiding behind union excuses.
Asinine and foolish? Take a look in the mirror.
Glad we could have this little chat.
11-05-2012, 08:08 PM
#44
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: leaning to the left
Posts: 4,184
11-05-2012, 08:59 PM
#45
With The Resistance
Joined APC: Jan 2006
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Not at all, I can only comment on the stoogesque tactics by those getting a union paycheck.
My check is not signed by any union.
Perhaps we can comment on the Fedex participation in the ALPA PAC.
What was it 4 or 6 %?
The union is a purely political animal and it is being beaten badly by reality.
Poot forth all you like, but you will have to answer for reality at some point, and the reality is not pretty.
Rant all you like about those deviants from your plan, but I would be far more concerned about those not buying into your grift, and that is the vast majority.
My check is not signed by any union.
Perhaps we can comment on the Fedex participation in the ALPA PAC.
What was it 4 or 6 %?
The union is a purely political animal and it is being beaten badly by reality.
Poot forth all you like, but you will have to answer for reality at some point, and the reality is not pretty.
Rant all you like about those deviants from your plan, but I would be far more concerned about those not buying into your grift, and that is the vast majority.
11-05-2012, 09:20 PM
#46
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: headbanging
Posts: 954
Not at all, I can only comment on the stoogesque tactics by those getting a union paycheck.
My check is not signed by any union.
Perhaps we can comment on the Fedex participation in the ALPA PAC.
What was it 4 or 6 %?
The union is a purely political animal and it is being beaten badly by reality.
Poot forth all you like, but you will have to answer for reality at some point, and the reality is not pretty.
Rant all you like about those deviants from your plan, but I would be far more concerned about those not buying into your grift, and that is the vast majority.
My check is not signed by any union.
Perhaps we can comment on the Fedex participation in the ALPA PAC.
What was it 4 or 6 %?
The union is a purely political animal and it is being beaten badly by reality.
Poot forth all you like, but you will have to answer for reality at some point, and the reality is not pretty.
Rant all you like about those deviants from your plan, but I would be far more concerned about those not buying into your grift, and that is the vast majority.
Three of the five new "Key Men Society" Councils were from FedEx and we've since added one more. It requires 24% PAC participation in honor of the 24 ALPA founding fathers.
Just the facts ma'am, just the facts....
11-05-2012, 09:26 PM
#47
With The Resistance
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
Posts: 6,191
17%, second to only United. But don't let any facts get in your way.
Three of the five new "Key Men Society" Councils were from FedEx and we've since added one more. It requires 24% PAC participation in honor of the 24 ALPA founding fathers.
Just the facts ma'am, just the facts....
Three of the five new "Key Men Society" Councils were from FedEx and we've since added one more. It requires 24% PAC participation in honor of the 24 ALPA founding fathers.
Just the facts ma'am, just the facts....
Check your numbers, you might be surprised. Fedex participation-words twice for clarity. You missed.
ALPA- awesome! What is their platform for spending all your money?
11-06-2012, 10:15 AM
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,931
Unions have trouble achieving all they want to. Lots of setbacks. But to deny their benefit makes your argument weaker. For starters, the retirement plan at both our companies would have been changed years ago without a CBA.
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