SeeDub

This will be my first "real" contract negotiation at FedEx or ever for that matter. Is there any reason why the negotiation team can't or won't put out for display the unfiltered proposals offered by the company such as the "comprehensive Section 25 Scheduling Proposal"? For the record, I'm not interested in PBS but I am interested in seeing how bad the company's PBS proposal really is.

2cylinderdriver

There are numerous reasons why this can't be done. We strive to convince the Company that the bargaining is done at the table and one of the most important things to avoid is "direct" dealing with the pilots. If we published proposals, especially before they are even countered, it would generate way to much Monday Morning Quarterbacking. The process works if we follow it, this is a member driven top down program. We provide input via various methods, your MEC and subject matter experts then break that down and set goals to match those desires. The only way to make that work is to allow your NC to make the deal and then it goes through the normal approval processes. In this case the MEC has made a clear decision that PBS does not fit within the goals that the pilots collectively want so even though there might be some that "want to see the car wreck" let the rubber necking stay on the road and lay your trust in the process is my recommendation.

Nightflyer

Sometimes the MEC and negotiating committee can't be trusted and/or make mistakes.

Example 1) $25,000 VEBA for certain members, taken from funds that were paid by the company for violating scope and that should have been distributed to ALL members, not just the "special" ones. I asked the negotiating committee what guarantee there was I would get my $25K. None, they said, and they were correct. So $25K went to guys who were supposed to retire at age 60. The money was supposed to help pay for healthcare until they hit 65. Then the age change happened, and they got to keep working to 65, take my seniority, AND keep the $25K. I asked the union why we (the union) couldn't keep the 25K, since it was not longer needed for its intended purpose for those who stayed until 65. "There is no provision for that." or "FY, I've got mine."

Example 2) Pay rates for the A380, in exchange for what? We got pawned.

Example 3) The last "two year deal" gave significant pay raises to the MEC, while the rest of us got pennies. No wonder there are reps that stay with the union or management for their entire careers! How about term limits for union and management pilots?

Example 4) Most international pilots would make more net income if the MEC would negotiate FULL PER DIEM RATES first. We should get full per diem for every city, based on the government rates, and indexed for inflation every year. The per diem increases have been a joke. Why won't the union negotiate for this? Because you don't pay dues on per diem!!!

Example 5) The age 65 debacle. The union and the company conspired to put the engineers back in the front seats. Nice to have friends in high places, isn't it?

Example 6) Hong Kong and Cologne domicile agreements. What a joke that was, and the MEC was warned, but chose not to listen.

To all new hires. READ and DISCUSS the merits of any TA we are given to vote on. YOUR FUTURE depends on it.

I trust the union leadership about >< this much more than I trust the company.

2cylinderdriver

How much did they get, I did not see that in my copy of the CBA? You got shortchanged BTW, I got "dollars" not "pennies" Sign me up

R1200RT

The vacation loss is a given! But, think about life at FedEx with zero carryover and zero conflicts.

Between carryover and conflicts I figure I get about an extra 200 hours a year of pay. Not sure I want to take a 25% pay cut to streamline the company's scheduling process. No real math involved here just my thoughts.

I'll bet that even if they fix up the vacation stuff with PBS the last line will read something like. "scheduling has the last word and will try to accommodate request"

Gunter

I think you are wrong to think there will be zero carryover. That is extra flying on lines without raising the reserve guarantee. They absolutely LOVE carryover. You just won't be able to pick and choose which carryover trip ends up on your line and you still won't be able to trade it.

Gunter

The PBS push just shows you the divide between management and crewmembers continues to widen.

Despite eyewash surveys and a kindler gentler attitude from flt ops they really aren't interested in what we think about anything.

R1200RT

Well, there will be carryover trips just like there are today, but there will be no carryover pay. If you have 20 hours of carryover into December that 20hrs will count toward December's pay. So if December is supposed to be an 80 hour month and you have 20 hours of carryover they'll build you 60 more hours for December.

Adlerdriver

Aren't you assuming rules similar to our current secondary process?

Assuming our NC entertains this idea (which we know isn't happening at the moment): It seems like anything would be possible. If the pilot doesn't want min-days off, what's stopping them from creating a system that allows the computer to build a line that ignores carryover and puts the "normal" amount of flying in your line (in addition to what's already there from carryover).

That's basically what a straight pay flying whor...., I mean, lineholder gets now when they don't check the min-days protection box (assuming no conflicts).

R1200RT

NO, I'm telling you there would be zero carryover credit. You'd be able to build you're line up 12hrs like now. But, no carry over with PBS.