Poor UPS
10-11-2012, 10:43 AM
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Well said. What we all should want is two companies each sharing world market share, each making money. That fact allows both Purple and Brown pilots to gain versus concede and play against each other's contracts in a positive way, leaving our passenger peers behind as needed.
appDude
Well said. What we all should want is two companies each sharing world market share, each making money. That fact allows both Purple and Brown pilots to gain versus concede and play against each other's contracts in a positive way, leaving our passenger peers behind as needed.
appDude
There is plenty of business for both of us...we should "cooperate" by knocking our mutual competition out of the way, like they are trying to knock us both out of the way, and raising the bar through contract negotiations. DHL tried and failed to kick BOTH our asses on our home turf, but now cry foul in Europe. TNT was on its way out anyway, and while the Eurotrash may well nuke the deal (as Ray Crock, Mc Donalds founder said: "If they're gonna drown, put a hose in their mouth."), our going after them assures their departure from the market, helping us BOTH compete in Europe...assuming it doesn't collapse completely.
This aint no hobby and DHL isn't going to cede anything because it's "fair" or not.
10-11-2012, 06:10 PM
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This is surprising to me. I did not realize, in terms of revenue, FedEx is only 25% smaller than UPS. At the rate FedEx is growing its fleet and positioned to grow when the recession ends, they very well could be larger than UPS in 10 years (or sooner).
Wall Street Journal Oct. 10
UPS 2011 Revenue: $53.1 billion
Fed Ex 2011 Revenue: $39.3 billion
UPS 2011 Revenue: $53.1 billion
Fed Ex 2011 Revenue: $39.3 billion
This is surprising to me. I did not realize, in terms of revenue, FedEx is only 25% smaller than UPS. At the rate FedEx is growing its fleet and positioned to grow when the recession ends, they very well could be larger than UPS in 10 years (or sooner).
10-11-2012, 09:31 PM
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The true growth at FedEx is in the Ground division, but yes, UPS will soon be eclipsed if they continue to maintain this anti-growth policy.
10-12-2012, 01:17 AM
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10-12-2012, 05:05 AM
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FDX ALPA and the IPA should work closely together.
The Dems are functionally against unions as much as the the GOP. The GOP likes to go after unions while the Dems bend over backwards to prove they are working for their corporate contributors, I mean pro economic growth.
No one is on our side.
The Dems are functionally against unions as much as the the GOP. The GOP likes to go after unions while the Dems bend over backwards to prove they are working for their corporate contributors, I mean pro economic growth.
No one is on our side.
10-12-2012, 05:52 AM
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Inorganic growth, possibility of the deal being blocked, and they're paying well above market value. We'll see how it works out for them. They only "grow" when pushed to do so by their competitors.
10-12-2012, 07:23 AM
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These FedEx vs UPS threads are great entertainment. We need to start a new One every couple of days with a different twist. Maybe start a debate session at Humpy's in ANC and maybe another mutually agreeable location. Breakfast in ALA would have been good (free is always good) but we pulled out, you'll have to do that one solo. 
10-12-2012, 07:29 AM
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All of us at UPS should realize we would not be flying airplanes for UPS if Fred Smith had not started FDX.
UPS does not innovate, they follow and copy and then try to maximize efficiency. This works for them in the high barrier to entry business they are in.
10-12-2012, 07:52 AM
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I would love to see a revenue chart for FDX and UPS for 1975 to today. At one point FDX was a fraction of the size of UPS but UPS's arrogance that no one needs anything over night let FDX grow to the size they are today.
All of us at UPS should realize we would not be flying airplanes for UPS if Fred Smith had not started FDX.
UPS does not innovate, they follow and copy and then try to maximize efficiency. This works for them in the high barrier to entry business they are in.
All of us at UPS should realize we would not be flying airplanes for UPS if Fred Smith had not started FDX.
UPS does not innovate, they follow and copy and then try to maximize efficiency. This works for them in the high barrier to entry business they are in.
