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Old 10-07-2012, 10:22 AM
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And there in lies the downfall of your argument. The last four or five decades have shown at local, state and federal levels the electorate continues to fail to do that.

So you agree that the problem is the voters, not the unions.


Some solutions solve the problems, and some "solutions" mask the symptoms.






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Old 10-07-2012, 10:23 AM
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If you think 401Ks are safe or B plans, look no further than what is happening to the AA pilots.
Hadn't heard about that. What's going on?
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So you agree that the problem is the voters, not the unions.

Some solutions solve the problems, and some "solutions" mask the symptoms.

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Absolutely do not agree. The problem is human greed and public sector unions will always be the cancer, trying for that group to take advantage of the tax payer. The electorate's best way to deal with it is to elect politicians who will cut out the cancer, not just treat it as it flares up.
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Hadn't heard about that. What's going on?
I believe the company is stopping contributions either sometime this month or on November 1st. There's no PBGC to deal with when it comes to those kinds of modifications, making 1113(e) and 1113(c) motions on them much easier for a company. I believe Frontier Airlines (II) did something similar in their bankruptcy, although I cannot recall all of the details.
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Originally Posted by appDude

Absolutely do not agree. The problem is human greed and public sector unions will always be the cancer, ...

Hmmm ...

So, school teachers are greedy, and we are not.


I'll have to think on that a while ...






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Originally Posted by appDude
Absolutely do not agree. The problem is human greed and public sector unions will always be the cancer, trying for that group to take advantage of the tax payer. The electorate's best way to deal with it is to elect politicians who will cut out the cancer, not just treat it as it flares up.
Yea too much greed among those school teachers. Have to protect the higher earners. Look at the sad case of Ina Drew, the former Chief Investment Officer, that lost her job at J.P Morgan Chase. Her boss Jamie Dimon kept his job that paid $460,000 and poor Ina lost her job that paid only $300,000. Sad to see. Oh! That $300,000 and $460,000 were earnings per week.
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Originally Posted by TonyC
Hmmm ...

So, school teachers are greedy, and we are not.


I'll have to think on that a while ...


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We are definitely greedy as are the teachers. The difference is the politicians use money and power from the unions to stay in office where they return the favor. No adversial relationship. Basically one party gets a cut of all the money they funnel to the public sector unions. Very similar to the 90 billion dollars we just funneled to green energy programs.
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Yea too much greed among those school teachers. Have to protect the higher earners. Look at the sad case of Ina Drew, the former Chief Investment Officer, that lost her job at J.P Morgan Chase. Her boss Jamie Dimon kept his job that paid $460,000 and poor Ina lost her job that paid only $300,000. Sad to see. Oh! That $300,000 and $460,000 were earnings per week.
Why dont you google Obama's favorite banker and get back to me. The funny part it the crony capitalist on wall street and at GE operate very much like the public sector unions. Campaign contributition work wonders.
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The difference is the politicians use money and power from the unions to stay in office where they return the favor.

So, the problem is the politicians we elect ...


oops.






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So, the problem is the politicians we elect ...


oops.

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Certainly does simplify it. Much more simple than figuing out why they get elected. Or what happens to a politician that crosses big labor. And by the way Big Labor means Public Sector unions, cause that is where the money is.
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