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Old 08-25-2012, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
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I remember in 1995 (Late November time frame) it was Customary, when meeting at the Folder, for the crews to show each other a print out of their Trip Pairing along with their Calendar. The pairing showed the Pay Code in which the trip was being flown and the calendar showed how many days worked.

It was interesting, to say the least, when one of the crew didn't have or wouldn't show the print outs. "TBV"
Yet another "privilege" that was taken away from us.

For a long time, the entire crew's pay status used to show on any pairing's trip recap. You didn't have to show your own copy. It was there for all to see. But, after some of our "brethren" complained to management about supposed harassment for flying extra when the rest of us thought they shouldn't be...Your ability to see the pay status of your crew, was removed from your Trip recap.

I think these type of guys would probably promote the idea of not having to tell you their name, either. The ID would just have their picture. No numbers or names. Same with the release...Just a thumbnail photo. That way you couldn't tell if they were a non-member, as well.
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:46 AM
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I never intended to address the legality or "right" of an individual to block their calendar. To do so would be stupid. Of course you can deny access to your calendar. That's not the point.

For example, we all have the right to trip trade. But I don't know anyone who exercises that right simply because they can. Usually, one has a reason to trip trade...increase BLG, get nicer layovers, fly with their buddy, whatever...

I've heard all kinds of reasons why people block their calendar, but so far in 16 years, not one of them has struck me as appropriate.

I don't know what the percentage of calendar blockers is, but it is certainly a small minority, and a large percentage of that minority are those "special" people others have mentioned in this thread. I don't know about you, but when I find myself in the minority of anything, I take a very careful look at what the heck I am doing. I'm not advocating being a lemming, but there's a method to the madness in our industry, especially a unionized group. I think transparency is a good thing, and anyone who intentionally blocks their calendar is inviting suspicion...guilty of wrongdoing or not.

So I'm still waiting for a good reason...anyone?
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:52 AM
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I think transparency is a good thing, and anyone who intentionally blocks their calendar is inviting suspicion...guilty of wrongdoing or not.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Busboy

I think these type of guys would probably promote the idea of not having to tell you their name, either. The ID would just have their picture. No numbers or names. Same with the release...Just a thumbnail photo. That way you couldn't tell if they were a non-member, as well.

Have you ever noticed how many of those on the "Non-Member List" go by a different "nickname" than the one listed on the NML? Maybe they think we won't figure out that they're the cheap b*stards listed? I usually make up a different name for myself each time I fly with those guys
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Originally Posted by subicpilot

I've heard all kinds of reasons why people block their calendar, but so far in 16 years, not one of them has struck me as appropriate.

I don't know what the percentage of calendar blockers is, but it is certainly a small minority, and a large percentage of that minority are those "special" people others have mentioned in this thread. I don't know about you, but when I find myself in the minority of anything, I take a very careful look at what the heck I am doing. I'm not advocating being a lemming, but there's a method to the madness in our industry, especially a unionized group. I think transparency is a good thing, and anyone who intentionally blocks their calendar is inviting suspicion...guilty of wrongdoing or not.

So I'm still waiting for a good reason...anyone?
I think you should get a chance to see the recent calender and paycode of those you fly with. I like looking at someone's screen at the AOC. BTW, a printout could have been altered to omit the paycode.

To see more you still have the burden of proving why its necessary or appropriate to grant you access to years of calenders and trip data. Quite frankly others don't have to give you a reason you approve of when they choose not to offer it. You realize you still can't see the pay code, right?

I don't think you've heard the rants about days off and trips flown. They have been tracking and compiling data on some for years. Yes, they have stored data. People they don't fly with. They choose to talk bad those they track, but don't know, to anyone they see in the crewroom or on the JS.

It's not about Transparency. It's about being targeted by nearly unhinged shadowers.

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Old 08-25-2012, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter

But some enjoy watching crewmembers squirm as they ask about their calendar over dinner. Maybe they hope to run across blockers for their entertainment at what should be a relaxing occasion. This behavior begins to define a person.
To answer your general question, no I don't hope to run across any calendar blockers! I wish there weren't any! But, in my PERSONAL opinion, I don't agree with it, but I am willing to hear the views of others I work with. That is why I do it in the social environment, because it has no place in the work environment. I am a firm believer that if there is a practice I don't agree with, to address it instead of whining behind others backs and be willing to say it to their face and actually listen to them. I am upfront and honest about my view and I appreciate it when they are also. When people squirm at a question that they didn't have to answer, I think that defines a person. And yes, if someone acts odd over something small or it is obvious they are lying, I do find it funny! It is similar to a crew member that elected to not be in the union, if I am flying with one, I ask, instead of complaining to others or rant on blogs without addressing it with the person. I think it leads to personal credibility. But that's just me.
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Old 08-25-2012, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
You understand the history and utility of our first come first serve open time but are strongly against it because someone else is getting YOUR trips. Got it.

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Dude, I have not dropped a trip or picked up a trip in open time in a decade so I never look at an open time trip as my trip. I just think it is not above board to use inside relationships to adjust your schedule.

I have also never asked someone why they close their calendar. I generally am not chatty with those types.
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ptarmigan
There have been many cases of 'creative" ex- spouses who have duped another one of our pilots to show them their ex's calendar. Some have used it for stalking, others for court, child custody, support issues, or to know when they were gone so they could "break into" the house, etc. I have heard some amazing stories.

Imagine if your wife's ex was a stalker (or some stalker type just became interested in her) and was friends, or became "friends", with someone that could get into your calendar to find out when you were out of town so your kids and wife would be at the house alone. Still feel there is no legit reason to block it?
This sounds reasonable. Thanks for passing this along!
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Originally Posted by MEMA300
Most calendar blockers are 3%ers, disputed pairing flyers, draft *****s, non-members or those guys whose wife works in scheduling and they get all those special charter trips .1 seconds after put in open time. Yeah you know who you are.
And you based this comment on the in-depth statistically significant research study you recently accomplished? No, I think you just pulled this out of your cavernous rectum. Should I post my company credit card bill for your review as well? Maybe you could find some inappropriate charges and talk about that too with your girlfriends on your next Hello Kitty sleepover. Explain to me again why you have a "right" to look at anything of mine in the contract. I missed that part. OBTW, I am a union member, don't fly DPs, and my wife doesn't work in scheds.
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Old 08-26-2012, 01:43 AM
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Gunter - "The real reason for blocking that is not offered to questioners because they would like to create a good CRM environment: HARASSMENT FROM CALENDAR TROLLS.

Gunter, you nailed it. I wonder if Calendar Trolls are too cheap to buy cable so, (1) they cruise others schedules for entertainment, or (2) are trying to generate conversation material for their CALENDAR TROLL buddies at the AOC or (3) as a hobby because their neighbor just closed their curtains and they got too frustrated. I'm going to block my calendar just give these busybodies something to get upset about. Get a life (or maybe just a subscription to Netflixs, its only $9 a month you cheap b******)!!!!:
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