Suggestions 4 dealing w/insecure Capt
08-19-2012, 09:16 PM
#81
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Hey, I resemble that remark....
When I was a military IP, made the point of there's technique and there's procedure. Always annoyed me to hear of someone teaching their technique, as procedure.
And, as a military guy-twas pretty rare to get through a brief without at least some salty language. And the occasional yelling, but, twas always to a point. And as a mil guy, was taught the sandwich approach. Start with something good, get to the bad, then finish with something good. Otherwise you wind up with some yahoo posting comments about you on APC ;-)
As a little more appreciation for you older guys, I'd describe the Beatles or Stones as pretty good bads (Forgive me lord for the comparison is meant as an example and is not meant to compare the two bands to each other.
IOW-for me to be commenting on said individual's leadership abilities....well, as my wife put it when I mentioned it today. This guy must be a real yahoo for you to not want to put up with him.
(There was a ART in my reserve unit who came up with the policy of only the full time guys going XC-briefly. He also expressed the desire to implement a one training period a day policy versus the standard two since it was a days pay after all. Needless to say, he and I had "words" on several occasions. Yet, somehow, I still managed to fly with him to accomplish a weekend mission. Didn't get down on my knees like a F15 guy would have)
This pilot is a good stick, crappy leader. And it's not simply a matter of letting him make all the decisions, it's a matter of wondering what's going to set him off this time. Last trip I actually was thinking he's going to stroke out and me commenting on it is just pouring kerosene on the fire. It's a matter of what simple airmanship thing that I've been trained to do as an FO, that I do without even thinking about it, that no other Capt even comments on, is he going to view as an usurpation of his authority.
And I'm an old school guy on CRM. I was asked once what I thought it meant and I said it means the Capt asks the crew for their opinions and then does what the Capt thinks best. So, IMO, he can run his cockpit any damn way he wants. It's just not a productive one, or, in my opinion-the best way to run one
I was kind of hoping for more humorous ways of deflecting the ire. Might go with the ole std- "Thank you sir may I have another"
Definitely going to stick with the Capt XX, with Capt being a secret code for....
When I was a military IP, made the point of there's technique and there's procedure. Always annoyed me to hear of someone teaching their technique, as procedure.
And, as a military guy-twas pretty rare to get through a brief without at least some salty language. And the occasional yelling, but, twas always to a point. And as a mil guy, was taught the sandwich approach. Start with something good, get to the bad, then finish with something good. Otherwise you wind up with some yahoo posting comments about you on APC ;-)
As a little more appreciation for you older guys, I'd describe the Beatles or Stones as pretty good bads (Forgive me lord for the comparison is meant as an example and is not meant to compare the two bands to each other.
IOW-for me to be commenting on said individual's leadership abilities....well, as my wife put it when I mentioned it today. This guy must be a real yahoo for you to not want to put up with him.
(There was a ART in my reserve unit who came up with the policy of only the full time guys going XC-briefly. He also expressed the desire to implement a one training period a day policy versus the standard two since it was a days pay after all. Needless to say, he and I had "words" on several occasions. Yet, somehow, I still managed to fly with him to accomplish a weekend mission. Didn't get down on my knees like a F15 guy would have)
This pilot is a good stick, crappy leader. And it's not simply a matter of letting him make all the decisions, it's a matter of wondering what's going to set him off this time. Last trip I actually was thinking he's going to stroke out and me commenting on it is just pouring kerosene on the fire. It's a matter of what simple airmanship thing that I've been trained to do as an FO, that I do without even thinking about it, that no other Capt even comments on, is he going to view as an usurpation of his authority.
And I'm an old school guy on CRM. I was asked once what I thought it meant and I said it means the Capt asks the crew for their opinions and then does what the Capt thinks best. So, IMO, he can run his cockpit any damn way he wants. It's just not a productive one, or, in my opinion-the best way to run one
I was kind of hoping for more humorous ways of deflecting the ire. Might go with the ole std- "Thank you sir may I have another"
Definitely going to stick with the Capt XX, with Capt being a secret code for....
I've read all the relevant posts with abated breath, so now I've got to ask : is it DC ?????
Regards,
BG
08-20-2012, 03:58 AM
#83
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What I was suggesting was a strategy to cope with the situation. The F/O can't just tell the Captain to go f himself, and we've also seen that the normal social etiquette between a Capt and an F/O isn't working. Since the root cause of this particular moron's actions is an oversensitive ego, I was merely saying that the F/O can soften the criticisms by playing into what the Capt needs and what that Capt probably thinks about that particular F/O. That's especially true if the Capt is, indeed, insecure.
If you've been to SERE, then you know exactly the technique I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with anything that's real, only to do with perceptions of power and strength (or, lack of it).
08-20-2012, 05:28 AM
#85
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Been to SERE. Even been on the other side of the rescue equation and been Sandy 1
More of a suck it up for 4 days and then it's over....
and I'm thinking maybe...
Nice approach Capt, you sir are a true Craftsman
More of a suck it up for 4 days and then it's over....
and I'm thinking maybe...
Nice approach Capt, you sir are a true Craftsman
08-20-2012, 02:50 PM
#87
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 47
Saw this recently and thought it fit into this discussion:
"Show respect to all people, but grovel to none." Tecumseh, Shawnee Leader.
I am a believer in looking someone in the eye and respectfully and tactfully telling them that their communication (berating, foul, etc.) is not consistent with maintaining a safe cockpit. If that didn't work - I would have no problem calling pro stan about this, and I would clearly state this to the Captain.
The unfortunate thing is that trips with a guy like this always seem to drop into open time and get dumped on the reserve guys - normally the most junior in the system.
Finally, does anyone in their right mind believe that the NTSB would not quote every word as a contributing factor to the incident/accident that may follow?
"Show respect to all people, but grovel to none." Tecumseh, Shawnee Leader.
I am a believer in looking someone in the eye and respectfully and tactfully telling them that their communication (berating, foul, etc.) is not consistent with maintaining a safe cockpit. If that didn't work - I would have no problem calling pro stan about this, and I would clearly state this to the Captain.
The unfortunate thing is that trips with a guy like this always seem to drop into open time and get dumped on the reserve guys - normally the most junior in the system.
Finally, does anyone in their right mind believe that the NTSB would not quote every word as a contributing factor to the incident/accident that may follow?
08-20-2012, 05:25 PM
#88
With The Resistance
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
Posts: 6,191
Good god man, if you can't handle this little tin pot dictator what are you going to do when the crack crazed people with razor sharp machetes come for you?
Put him to rest one way or another, this is called CRM. He will eventually learn it, one way or another.
Put him to rest one way or another, this is called CRM. He will eventually learn it, one way or another.
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