Busboy

Record him? Great! Maybe you forgot. But, what we say in the cockpit is already being recorded. And, we have spent millions of dues dollars to keep those recordings out of the FAA and management's hands for disciplinary measures.

So, now we have to worry that one of our own may be recording what we say. So, they can turn it into management. Brilliant!!

Adlerdriver

First, you're the first person in this thread to suggest going to management with these complaints - recorded or otherwise. That's a weak d!ck approach. You try to deal with it man to man, followed by pro-standards if you can reach common ground on your own. No one has suggested getting mangement involved.

Second, using CVR tapes has some serious strings attached. It's not like we can just pull the tapes out any time we happen to have an issue in the cockpit with someone. A personality conflict would be pretty far down on the list of acceptable uses for CVRs (I hope).

av8rmike

Professional respect is a two way street. Launch into a five minute, red-faced, expletive laden tirade over something inconsequential and you've lost any respect I owe you. That's a person crazy as an out-house rat and should NOT be in command of an airplane or a crew. We're not dropping bombs or saving lives here, so that behavior is as unsafe as it is inexcusable. I'd give them one chance to work it out and, if not, the next call would be to the DO. I'd expect the same in return.

Adlerdriver

I'm not suggesting giving any slack to the unacceptable behavior that was the original subject of this thread.

My point is that going to management (i.e. the DO) in order to deal with such an issue can be a blunt instrument and circumvents some less extreme and most likely better options available to us. Whether it's a mediated debrief via Professional Standards or some other kind of help from the EAP program, etc., we can police our own.

There's always a chance that someone acting out in this way is facing something they can't handle in some other area of their life. Giving them the benefit of the doubt would be what I would expect in most cases, at least as a starting point.

You can always call the DO or someone else in management after you call ALPA, if you don't like the answer you get. Calling the DO first is like dropping the "f-bomb" in front of your Mother - not much you can do once it's out there.

Sluggo_63

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flextodaline

1.Have a HUGE bean burrito a few hours prior to the flight.
2.Whenever he asks for the "in-range" checklist, do it promptly. A few minutes later, ask if he would like the "in-range" checklist. When he says we've already done it say," with all due respect sir, I don't think we did". Do this a few times during the trip.
3. Whenever he goes back to use the head, right before he returns to the seat, sprinkle some water on his seat....enough to where his trousers get a bit moist. He'll never say anything about his "incontinence". Do this a few times during the week.
4. Eat alot of kimchi. whenever he asks you something, just face towards him and say, "HUUUUHH?" **added benefit***an hour after the kimchi input, you should have the same results as you would in step 1.
5. Repeat everything he tells you to do in a German/French/Borat accent. When he asks why your repeating everything in a German/French/Borat accent, go, "what accent?"

This old poop may not ever change, so at least have fun screwing with him....

ol'tigerguy

Record his rant. Make it a ringtone on your phone. Have somebody call you when your at the paperwork with said capt.

Zoso

Make him a YouTube sensation. Report him to Pro stands. Report him to the CPO. I'd honestly do all three if what the OP says is true about this clown.

Flightmech

I'd definitely go for Borat. Next red-faced rant you get look at him blankly, hold up your hand and say "High Fives, I very excite to be here!"

Hacker15e

Some of you guys do crack me up....a captain yells and swears....and this is a matter for management, or the creation of a "hostile environment"?

YGBSM.

Harden the f up, people. Jeez.

The right way to deal with this is like an actual professional, and that is to make the very first step simply to talk to him about it face to face and in person. Not behind his back....not complaining about it to mom and dad (either the union or the company)....but outside of the cockpit.

The content of that conversation really depends on what you want to accomplish. If you want to just lessen the burden of this guy's act for a couple days, or if you really want to 'deal with him' for the long term and for everyone else's benefit.

If you're just trying to soften the blows, and since you know this is an ego thing, then it doesn't have to be confrontational at all. Frame it all in a way that strokes his ego, even, and make it look like you want to learn from his experience. Ask him to give you a more thorough debrief on the things he was irritated at. Apologize for not doing it exactly like he wanted (even though you did), and tell him you thought you were, but would like to learn more.

Being an outright dick to him is only going to fan the flames. You never know when those fanned flames might result in a call to the chief pilot or pro standards from him about you.

As an aside, it sounds like an opportunity for endless little bits of fun.