Originally Posted by FDXLAG

So we are back to:

Perhaps the difference is a substandard LOA that we all knew was substandard and voted for anyways because it didnt effect me.

Originally Posted by TonyC

I sincerely hope that pilots are not allowing their intense hatred of all things Dave Webb (including FDA LOA v1.0) to get in the way of supporting their fellow pilots who were wrongfully terminated.


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Originally Posted by FDXLAG

Selective editing tony. My second sentence clearly shows my support for the fired pilots. I do not hate all things Dave Webb or even Dave Webb. But I specifically said many times the relocation language would get pilots into trouble and I would not think of relocating under that language. I said this prior to the vote and was castigated by most of the union leadership at the time. Not just Dave Webb.

Originally Posted by HDawg

Thanks Tony, so FPA/ALPA have never supported an assessment for fired pilots it has always been voluntary as is the case now.

Originally Posted by TonyC

Those are fair questions, and I would hope that "enhanced communications from the MEC" would address them.

First, have we ever supported fired pilots financially? Yes. Under FPA, when The Company decided to start firing pilots for bumping Jumpseaters, we gave financial support to the fired pilots until we got their jobs back. The support was via voluntary contributions vice an assessment of the membership, but the principle of supporting them is the same.

So, what sets the Hong Kong pilots, or the pilots fired for exercising their PIC authority (regarding jumpseaters), apart from a pilot who is fired for, say, falsifying an expense report or carrying a firearm in his bag through security?

We have clear rules about expense reports. There is no question about what is right and what is wrong. If you incur a qualified expense, you can claim it. If you did not incur the expense, you cannot claim it. We have clear rules about carrying firearms. There is no question that you are not supposed to have a loaded pistol in your suitcase and take it aboard an airplane. So, when pilots violate those clear rules, the investigation and discipline procedures in our CBA are used to deal with the pilot. The Association does its part to represent the pilot throughout the process, and we fight hard to preserve the pilot's career. That usually does not happen unless the pilot confesses to the wrongdoing, and repents, promising to not do it again. He suffers a penalty, often the loss of money, and is placed under a microscope of "probation" for a period of time.

The pilots who were fired for bumping jumpseaters violated no such rules. They exercised their PIC privilege, as defined by Title 14 CFR (The "FARs"). They did nothing wrong, so they should not have been required to confess wrongdoing and promise to do it no more. They should not have suffered monetary penalty, nor should they have been required to face the extra scrutiny of probation.

The pilots who were fired in Hong Kong also did not violate any clearly defined rules. They were open with what they did, keeping their ACP fully informed of their situation. There was no attempt to circumvent rules or hide their actions. To this day, The Company will not provide a clear definition of what "relocate" means to them, or how they determine whether a pilot has relocated, or has continued to be relocated (one pilot awaiting arbitration was said to have "unrelocated" when he married, so they stopped his housing allowance -- find the definition for that somewhere), or whether a pilot's spouse has relocated, or continued to be relocated, or whether a pilot's dependent child has relocated, or continued to be relocated ... how often can a spouse travel to Japan and still be considered relocated? ... how long can a spouse vacation in Arizona and still be considered relocated? ... For the purposes of the Immigration Department of the Hong Kong Special Adminstrative Region, a dependent is an "unmarried child, under the age of 18." If my son, 17 1/2 years of age, decides to enroll in college in Tennessee, have I failed to relocate him? When he turns 18, have I magically met the mysterious definition? Even though nobody has moved, he can no longer be my dependent, as far as HKSAR is concerned, so does that make FedEx happy?

The Hong Kong pilots deserve different treatment because they did not violate clearly defined rules. They have no sins to confess, no behavior from which to repent, and they do not deserve to suffer financial penalty or to be placed under the microscope of probation.

At least that's the way I see it.

But let's put a bookmark here and take a look at the point I tried to make originally.

That's the way that I see it, and that's the way the large group of Hong Kong pilots who attended their Local Council meeting saw it when they voted unanimously to recommend the MEC adopt an assessment. The MEC considered their resolution and adopted a different strategy. I disagree with the strategy, but I did not attempt to argue their decision in this thread. When they rejected the Council 14 resolution, they committed to engage in an enhanced communication campaign to keep the issue on the minds of all FedEx pilots.

They said they were going to do something -- communicate. Their Chairman, their spokesman, the voice of the MEC ... what has he said? What has he communicated?

I'm not here to argue that there should be an assessment. My point is that the promise to engage in an enhanced communication campaign regarding the pilots who were wrongfully terminated has not been kept. They are being ignored.






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Originally Posted by HDawg

Thanks Tony, so FPA/ALPA have never supported an assessment for fired pilots it has always been voluntary as is the case now.

Originally Posted by appDude

I would be for a complete open, viewable by all members, list of all pay only and all trip removals each month. Who's money is it after all? ALPA seems to be as bad as Washington. And who is getting to work from home and when.

Originally Posted by DLax85

+1


Any reason not to do this ????

Originally Posted by Overnitefr8

As Rosanne Rosanadana (sp) would say, "Never mind."