RedeyeAV8r

These are approximate as I recall from an Old council email. from February 2008 time frame. They are Ballpark #'s.
The email said on 31 Dec 2007 (when the law changed) FedEx had approx 190 over 60 S/O either on the DC10 or 727. Of that # only about 140ish were eligible to return to Window seat, either due to Medical issue or were over 63 1/2, witch JL stated less than 18 months to 65 and you would not be sent to training. A Good number of these guys were not that senior. Many had less than 16 years with FedEx. Many were former FTL and only had 19 years of A plan longevity. There were of course a few very Senior Purple Pilots.

It wasn't the 140 guys coming back that hurt movement so much as the next 600 guys who were 56-60 that decided not to retire. That and the company's continued Post a Bid, cancel a Bid, Post a Bid cancel a Bid. and a DC-10 Excess Bid of 300 crews. The only plus was Nobody got furloughed. I have got that T-shirt and I don't need another. It is Water under the Bridge, and Time to move on.

TonyC

What's the point of facts? All that matters is that DW was evil incarnate, and our only goal in life is to get back what he took from us.

Facts, schmacts.


Anybody remember DW's age when the law changed?

That's right, he was under 60 -- it actually had a negative effect on him.

But, again, let's not be confused by facts.



In fact, they were spread through every seniority block, 1 through 8. It's a very common assumption that all the over-60 guys and gals were in the first two or three seniority blocks. Well, that just wasn't so. Age has never equated to seniority.


Heresy! You're talking about people who were not helped by retroactivity, and everybody knows the only problem was DW and retroactivity. You're talking about excess bids that are at the sole discretion of The Company, and everybody knows the only problem was DW and retroactivity. You're talking about cancelled bids and cancelled bid awards that are at the sole discretion of The Company, and everybody knows that the only problem was DW and retroactivity. You're talking about pilots who had not achieved the old regulated age, and unless DW had something to do with when they were born, you can't blame that on him -- but everybody knows the only problem was DW and retroactivity.


Your reference to facts is very disrespectful to the people here who know better -- the only problem was DW.





Nobody was going to be furloughed. The way we had junior pilots in senior seats (due to the fact we couldn't make those seats attractive enough for pilots already on the seniority list, thus requiring hiring from the street to the right seat of the MD-11 in Anchorage), we could have never furloughed. We were never overmanned, we were improperly manned. But I'm sure The Company appreciates our gratitude for not furloughing.



Time to move on? Ouuu ... You're gonna get stoned for that remark.






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Busboy

Odd that the fabled survey results were what they were. As, it seems to have turned out that most FDX pilot's opinions, on changing the regulated age to 65 must have been:

"I am absolutely, completely and unquestionably against the FAA allowing any pilot to stay in the front seat past age 60. As long as they're senior to me, that is."

That's just so far, though.

Beertini

This circular firing squad is awesome! You guys are all great shots!

Busboy

A little help please...

I can't remember if I'm angry, or not.

Dadof6

Since the original rumor/thread that started this ongoing Dr. Phil debate has long since been retracted, and as painfully fun as it must be for the UPS'ers to enjoy this while munching pocorn, can we PLEASE CLOSE this garbage thread?

Vagabond...mods...anyone? Thanks.

iarapilot

And, I am sorry!

Busboy

From the latest Council 22 update in reference to our fired pilots:

"...There is no change as to the status of the four fired Hong Kong pilots. They are all in the arbitration process with the first hearing held the beginning of July. The remaining hearings will be held in September, October and November. A decision from the first hearing is not expected before late October at the earliest. Per Captain Cassel at the recent “town hall” meeting, settlement offers are still valid and available if these pilots so choose..."

And later:

"...Five of our brethren have been terminated (one elected not to fight it, so four remain). We (the officers, reps, and NC) have spent considerable time in defending them, defining the standard and deflecting the threat of investigation for those that remain in those bases especially HKG. These investigations as well as ongoing implementation issues associated with CGN’s opening have consumed considerable time and resources. The teams who deal with contract negotiations for us and for the Company are the same people, so the terminations have had an effect. In the end, we are disgusted that the Company created this mess and disappointed in the Company’s inability to find a fair solution..."

If those fired HK pilots would just take the settlement offer...We could make better progress in our interim discussions.

I too, am disgusted.

FDXLAG

See you are angry. Cant blame the union; all these unreasonable pilots running around messing up a perfectly reasonable loa by testing the boundries. Why dont they sit around their 750 sq ft apartments and wait for the draft calls like they are supposed to. Then we could all worry about more important things.

I like the rumor that everyone will get the housing allowance as long as they agree to 250 days or so "in country". Perhaps they can put all those unused biometric readers in the apartment of anyone who agrees to the deal.

FR8Hauler

Now that is funny!