TallFlyer

Maybe I'll get lucky and someone involved with hiring will move to my preferred outstations here and I'll just be his ride to the DEN ramp for his commute.....

HotMamaPilot

Or take advice from a wise, (sort-of) old owl: bite the bullet, quit KY and go get hired at OO, RP or CZ. Get your time there and THEN apply at 5X

TallFlyer

I'd love to. At the same time since I have an imminent upgrade it seems wise to get that 1,000 MTPIC box checked before leaving. Beyond that my first choice would be NAC in ANC. Or perhaps USA Jet. We'll see.

CactusCrew

The last year we did any hiring was 2007. I know of at least one from my class that came from flying Dash-8s ... FWIW ... he wasn't a girl.

HotMamaPilot

That made me lol, thanks! Nevertheless, HE surely came from a 121 tp operator. Just a note to tallflyer about the importance of that on your resume'.

Archie Bunker

Well, I'm a 2007 hire…in the bottom 300. I'm sitting about 146 out of 210 on the Whale FO list, and I can't hold a decent regular line. I have to roll the dice on full VTOs to get what I consider a decent schedule. Is that "junior" enough for you?

The only beauty (and saving grace) of VTOs are that one man's junk is truly another man's treasure. Being that I bid in the bottom 3 to 4 VTO full line bidders, my UPS bidding life is ruled by that junk/treasure axiom.

You are correct, I was off by one day (8+7 vice two 7 day periods). I could easily get 14 days at home, or more if I had 13 days off at the end of a bid period, and was awarded a reserve line in the next bid period that didn't start for another week or 13 days.

The last time I stood normal reserve (not RSCA or RSCP) was in early 2011. I was bored out of my mind, because I never got used. I did get to work out quite a bit at the gym though. If I lived in domicile, reserve would have been the sweetest gig ever.

I don't know where you worked before, but I was at Delta, and I never had 2 weeks off at a time (like I do here at UPS). More like 4 days on, and 3 days off. The most days off in a row that I ever had there on reserve was 4 days (not including vacation).

I'm not sure why you're trying to paint such a bad picture of our schedules at UPS. Believe me, there are a whole lot worse out there at a fraction of our pay.

If anybody truly wants to improve their QOL 100%, then you have to bite the bullet, and move to your domicile. This axiom holds true for any airline, not just UPS.

MaydayMark

That doesn't make sense ... what about military C-130, P-3, C-12 pilots? Surely they've been hired?

CactusCrew

2007 hire also, made the furlough list though ... It is simply amazing how different a schedule can be from just 10-20 numbers of seniority.

True ...


Like I said ... "But its not all bad. A real junior puke like myself sitting mostly 2 week blocks of RSV and an occasional line can be home 50% of the time. That will take creative use of "personal time" and vacation. But it can be done" ... As you just added, good bidding practices has its benefits too, if you can hold what you want on reserve

Sounds similar to Cactus ... but apparently it was easier to get more than 4 days off. I did it regularly via trades, creative bidding, etc.



Mostly just to yank your chain, and yes I know it can be much worse elsewhere ... but this certainly isn't paradise.



True that ! ... Hopefully we'll have some domicile stability going forward, because moving to base would not have been a very smart move at UPS for the junior in the last 5 years.

Peace ...

BrownClown

If you ever fly a domestic schedule, I can attest to how bad they suck whether you live in domicile or not. They are absolutely brutal. I was bidding around 110 domestically and all i could hold, besides A RSV was Base Line Trips or bottom half VTOs full of weeks of call-in(to sit hot). I would guess the domestic schedules are more like your Delta schedule, but at night.

Priority 3

Not necessarily. UPS has hired Part 135 pilots and corporate pilots as well without any turbojet experience. They are rare, but they exist.

I remember a UPS H.R. rep telling me that they like to hire across different backgrounds. From what I've seen, that's true with the exception of the hiring they did for the ANC domicile where they sought pilots with widebody experience