New Airplanes for ATI? (Re-post)
07-06-2012, 06:41 AM
#42
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Ok follow very carefully, ill type slow
ATI parked lots of planes after BAX closed to say it was business as usual is ignorant on your part.
Without the DOD ATI is a broken model, that's why your losing money with no end in sight. The certificate is the only thing valuable.
Our headquarters is a fraction because they they anticipated moving as a subsidarary and gave everyone notices. Why were they gonna make CCIA a subsidiary because ATI had to show DOD the 75 experience to get the combi work. When the DOD said that won't work the CCIA MEC encouraged a merger to benefit both companies and try to save jobs.
So when you and rest of your girls run around saying ATI is fine we don't need CCIA, that's not true.
To recap ATI is bleeding money with no end in sight, it's a broken model without DOD. CCIA doesn't need ATI we are back to profitability this merger is all about getting DOD work and trying to make ATI profitable thus making a bigger more profitable company.
ATI parked lots of planes after BAX closed to say it was business as usual is ignorant on your part.
Without the DOD ATI is a broken model, that's why your losing money with no end in sight. The certificate is the only thing valuable.
Our headquarters is a fraction because they they anticipated moving as a subsidarary and gave everyone notices. Why were they gonna make CCIA a subsidiary because ATI had to show DOD the 75 experience to get the combi work. When the DOD said that won't work the CCIA MEC encouraged a merger to benefit both companies and try to save jobs.
So when you and rest of your girls run around saying ATI is fine we don't need CCIA, that's not true.
To recap ATI is bleeding money with no end in sight, it's a broken model without DOD. CCIA doesn't need ATI we are back to profitability this merger is all about getting DOD work and trying to make ATI profitable thus making a bigger more profitable company.
07-06-2012, 01:58 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: 1st class
Posts: 250
Ok follow very carefully, ill type slow
ATI parked lots of planes after BAX closed to say it was business as usual is ignorant on your part.
Without the DOD ATI is a broken model, that's why your losing money with no end in sight. The certificate is the only thing valuable.
Our headquarters is a fraction because they they anticipated moving as a subsidarary and gave everyone notices. Why were they gonna make CCIA a subsidiary because ATI had to show DOD the 75 experience to get the combi work. When the DOD said that won't work the CCIA MEC encouraged a merger to benefit both companies and try to save jobs.
So when you and rest of your girls run around saying ATI is fine we don't need CCIA, that's not true.
To recap ATI is bleeding money with no end in sight, it's a broken model without DOD. CCIA doesn't need ATI we are back to profitability this merger is all about getting DOD work and trying to make ATI profitable thus making a bigger more profitable company.
ATI parked lots of planes after BAX closed to say it was business as usual is ignorant on your part.
Without the DOD ATI is a broken model, that's why your losing money with no end in sight. The certificate is the only thing valuable.
Our headquarters is a fraction because they they anticipated moving as a subsidarary and gave everyone notices. Why were they gonna make CCIA a subsidiary because ATI had to show DOD the 75 experience to get the combi work. When the DOD said that won't work the CCIA MEC encouraged a merger to benefit both companies and try to save jobs.
So when you and rest of your girls run around saying ATI is fine we don't need CCIA, that's not true.
To recap ATI is bleeding money with no end in sight, it's a broken model without DOD. CCIA doesn't need ATI we are back to profitability this merger is all about getting DOD work and trying to make ATI profitable thus making a bigger more profitable company.
More ATI stuff, I swear its like a reality show or something over there.
Ill make a short post, obviously I dont post or troll this site much. I love soaring the ever friendly management side.
1) Combi business. No matter what the rumors yada yada...ATI is not making BIG money on it. Others have tried to configure a combi and compete and its just not cost effective. OMNI at one time considered it and studied the market for almost 2 years. Believe it or not their leasing company has deep enough pockets to eat the lease back for quite some time if the company could have turned a profit in the long run. (this was back in late 07 when they shelved any further plans.) The PHIK run out to Kwaj and Wake (Midway at one time too was it?) has some profit in it but its a run which is partially subsidized by the state of Hawaii. ATI has had a death grip on this for a while and personally think its due to Jimmy and some buddy agreements. Perhaps even like a security blanket which has long passed its prime. WHOA, are you guys lost, you really think that the Ol' might combi business is that big a deal....really, seriously....Guess that's why you push buttons and don't sign checks. Id be more concerned on how you landed the DHL/USPS contract in OBBI. If you guys end up in Europe again Ill mess myself. You guys low vis qualified yet...hmmm. Come on drop a dime for some intel! Neah, just kidding. You guys are all out of the DFW FSDO which if I'm not mistaken has reached their travel budget so its going to be hard to get anything done this year.
2)(I'll type really slow for ya, even may use some slang) After reading some previous post I'm in total shock over the lack of knowledge of any merger process. You cant simply take, move, trash, whatever any certificate that has a CBA attached to it. That pilot group is attached to it like glue.
Your both ALPA, so you will have to go through the whole JCBA BS then take your rep committees, which are separate from the MEC and try to hack out a seniority list or in your case a sorority list. WAIT there is MORE for only 19.95.....If you are unable to reach an agreement the whole mess will be put forth to a arbitrator. Take note I didn't say "mediator" there is a HUGE difference. If you are the subordinate certificate which is going away you had better grab your ankles and lube up really swell because its gonna be rough. The fact that your cert if going away states the case of your "future career expectations" Take a stroll through airline history of mergers if you doubt it.....ATI or ABX isn't without problems here as well. Any thing that happens will set precedence for the future. Plus, the company will be married to any laundry Capital has/had laying around.
07-06-2012, 04:20 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Posts: 48
Ok follow very carefully, ill type slow
ATI parked lots of planes after BAX closed to say it was business as usual is ignorant on your part.
Without the DOD ATI is a broken model, that's why your losing money with no end in sight. The certificate is the only thing valuable.
Our headquarters is a fraction because they they anticipated moving as a subsidarary and gave everyone notices. Why were they gonna make CCIA a subsidiary because ATI had to show DOD the 75 experience to get the combi work. When the DOD said that won't work the CCIA MEC encouraged a merger to benefit both companies and try to save jobs.
So when you and rest of your girls run around saying ATI is fine we don't need CCIA, that's not true.
To recap ATI is bleeding money with no end in sight, it's a broken model without DOD. CCIA doesn't need ATI we are back to profitability this merger is all about getting DOD work and trying to make ATI profitable thus making a bigger more profitable company.
ATI parked lots of planes after BAX closed to say it was business as usual is ignorant on your part.
Without the DOD ATI is a broken model, that's why your losing money with no end in sight. The certificate is the only thing valuable.
Our headquarters is a fraction because they they anticipated moving as a subsidarary and gave everyone notices. Why were they gonna make CCIA a subsidiary because ATI had to show DOD the 75 experience to get the combi work. When the DOD said that won't work the CCIA MEC encouraged a merger to benefit both companies and try to save jobs.
So when you and rest of your girls run around saying ATI is fine we don't need CCIA, that's not true.
To recap ATI is bleeding money with no end in sight, it's a broken model without DOD. CCIA doesn't need ATI we are back to profitability this merger is all about getting DOD work and trying to make ATI profitable thus making a bigger more profitable company.
I just pose this one last question for you, ATI's 757C program has been in the works for a few year has it not and the merger idea as far as I know only started to get kicked around AFTER the Bax mess happened.
SO, with this knowledge we can conclude that either
A. All parties invloved (ATI, CCIA, ATSG) knew behind our backs and planned that ATI would never be able to fly 757C for the military so a secret merger was planned years ago in order to basically fudge the 2 year 757 experience or
B. Your full of it because CCIA was never in the long term plan of ATI a year ago.
And let the record show that ATI only showed a negative quarter after the merger started, (well after BAX was gone) and had to assume your liabilities and debt to the FAA. Thanks Buddy!
Oh and while all of us our fighting over this id like to point out my stock in ATSG is rallying like crazy the last few days and making me some decent money since having bought it right after BAX died.
You have to look for the opportunity in someone elses demise.
07-07-2012, 06:30 AM
#47
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Apelo@290
Posts: 345
Ok follow very carefully, ill type slow
ATI parked lots of planes after BAX closed to say it was business as usual is ignorant on your part.
Without the DOD ATI is a broken model, that's why your losing money with no end in sight. The certificate is the only thing valuable.
Our headquarters is a fraction because they they anticipated moving as a subsidarary and gave everyone notices. Why were they gonna make CCIA a subsidiary because ATI had to show DOD the 75 experience to get the combi work. When the DOD said that won't work the CCIA MEC encouraged a merger to benefit both companies and try to save jobs.
So when you and rest of your girls run around saying ATI is fine we don't need CCIA, that's not true.
To recap ATI is bleeding money with no end in sight, it's a broken model without DOD. CCIA doesn't need ATI we are back to profitability this merger is all about getting DOD work and trying to make ATI profitable thus making a bigger more profitable company.
ATI parked lots of planes after BAX closed to say it was business as usual is ignorant on your part.
Without the DOD ATI is a broken model, that's why your losing money with no end in sight. The certificate is the only thing valuable.
Our headquarters is a fraction because they they anticipated moving as a subsidarary and gave everyone notices. Why were they gonna make CCIA a subsidiary because ATI had to show DOD the 75 experience to get the combi work. When the DOD said that won't work the CCIA MEC encouraged a merger to benefit both companies and try to save jobs.
So when you and rest of your girls run around saying ATI is fine we don't need CCIA, that's not true.
To recap ATI is bleeding money with no end in sight, it's a broken model without DOD. CCIA doesn't need ATI we are back to profitability this merger is all about getting DOD work and trying to make ATI profitable thus making a bigger more profitable company.
07-07-2012, 08:41 AM
#48
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The subsidiary / merger ideas began this year, after they discovered the DOD wouldn't accept the experience on the 76 counting towards the 75. Their was no merger talks after BAX had closed its doors.
JV and JH are concentrating on getting ATI back on its feet. The airline is a mess far more than what you think.
I'm just tired of listening to ATI Pilots saying capital has nothing to offer, when the deal is really about job security for the ATI pilots and suvival of ATI, that's what CCIA has to offer. If they wanted to shut CCIA down Hete had more than enough reason to.
Is this a good deal for CCIA, ABSOLUTLY !!! Nobody is saying its not. Does CCIA need ATI to survive no it doesn't. Does ATI need CCIA, Im sorry but the answer is yes. You can live in denial or carry some kind of pride flag, but if this merger fails one airline is going away, and ATI is bleeding a lot of money.
If you think this is fun just wait till your around the ABX nazis and they tell you, you shouldn't be flying their airplanes and that we should be one seniority list, of course ATI/CCIA stapled to the bottom. That happens constantly.
JV and JH are concentrating on getting ATI back on its feet. The airline is a mess far more than what you think.
I'm just tired of listening to ATI Pilots saying capital has nothing to offer, when the deal is really about job security for the ATI pilots and suvival of ATI, that's what CCIA has to offer. If they wanted to shut CCIA down Hete had more than enough reason to.
Is this a good deal for CCIA, ABSOLUTLY !!! Nobody is saying its not. Does CCIA need ATI to survive no it doesn't. Does ATI need CCIA, Im sorry but the answer is yes. You can live in denial or carry some kind of pride flag, but if this merger fails one airline is going away, and ATI is bleeding a lot of money.
If you think this is fun just wait till your around the ABX nazis and they tell you, you shouldn't be flying their airplanes and that we should be one seniority list, of course ATI/CCIA stapled to the bottom. That happens constantly.
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