wetpish

Dog's got it right. the growth will be in Asia. He's just confused about who is going to grow and who is going to shrink. The growth will be for ATI, not ABX.

abxflyr

You guys really need to find something better to do during your layover or wkends...

ATI (and now CCI) will get replacement a/c over a period of time. So to make a blanket statement that ATI is getting all the aircraft is kinda stupid. As a merged carrier, there are some 11+ a/c that will need to be modernized by either a B767, 757, or 757combi. New biz will be determined after those a/c replacements are complete. Otherwise, it's not really growth compared to getting back to where the airline(s) were prior to the closing of BAX.

Let ATI complete the merger with CCI prior to throwing the fire at a merge with ABX. ATSG will most likely retain both carriers for a long time to come. Life and business is not all about synergies. If that were the case, the industry would never have seen code-shares, deregulation, low-cost carriers, and a myriad of other things. We'd all be on a single seniority list working for the only airline in the U.S...because of the synergies! Will the remaining 2 merger one day....maybe, doubtful, who knows. Yes, the ATI certificate would probably be the survivor, simply because of passenger ops (not that ABX couldn't get those, but why??). Otherwise, the ops of ATI and ABX are very close and do not contain anything that either carrier could get by simply applying. Until recently, ATI was undesirable from the lack of low-vis ops...a 2 year project that is closing in on completion within 6 months.

nitefr8dog

You are asking the wrong person....I said HETE said the the growth is in Asia....why don't you ask him...he is the one who decides where the aircraft go...

nitefr8dog

Stagnation.....hum...8 new 300's since June....

blogwth

M'kay. in post number 118, dog said ABX added 5 767-300's this year. Now, he's increased it to 8 since June. He knows the truth is that ABX added only four planes in the last two years.

Combine that with the fact that their fleet is so underutilized that the company wanted to furlough 30 pilots last month. I know, I know...the furlough was cancelled at the last minute. Still, the desire to furlough was there.

As far as your scope goes, your planes that are owned by ABX can be transferred to CAM and leased to ATI. They just can't be used for DHL in the US.

As far as Asian expansion, Hete has spoken. He decided which company will acquire new opoportunities. He is having ATI bid the new work coming in Asia. Expect to see 767-200's transferred from ABX to support new work at ATI.

NCR757dxr

How do you figure "8" new -300s since June?

219CY-has been at ABX since 2009
220CY-Newly leased bird (formerly for TNT)
317CM
362CM

363CM is still showing stored and 364/365 are more than likely going to ATI for their new Asia work with DHL (team is already on the ground there).

Last time I checked 4 = 4 (5 if you want to count 363CM) not 8. Not trying to be mean or anything, just want to know where you get your numbers from?

abxflyr

Actually if you know anything about either company and ATSG (we're assuming here that CCI is already dead/merged), planes can be moved from ABX...just as easily as from ATI...all to CAM. The only restriction in the ATSG world is domestic DHL -200. Outside of that, ATSG/CAM will deploy their assets wherever makes money, ABX does make money, ATI is on the way to making money (not there yet..).

For sales, ...check with your individual management, they will confirm that each carrier must stand on their own. Each airline has their own individual sales department (or people..numbers are small) and must go out and fetch for themselves and airline. You eat what you kill, it's almost that simple. ATSG speaks in general terms about where market growth is, but which airline gets the growth is a function of their marketability, reliability, and cost.

Dick Cabeza

Because they know we will work longer hours for less pay and crappy working conditions. Buy hey that's what we agreed too in our CBA.....Ahhhh the Life of a Bottom Feeder.

You Cappy guys just got a raise but you will work your ass off for it, no more 12-14 hour days for you. Don't forget to get a Passport. Welcome Aboard!!

nitefr8dog

Ok....doing the 09/12/12 300 Differences Rev current 300's.... 219CY, 220CY, 317CM, 363CM, 364CM are the ones added to the ABX certificate to date. Talked to management today...#6 and #7 still to be added this year. Aircraft number 8 now to be added in 1st 1/4 next year. So I will revise my estimate to 7 300's since 220CY added in June. Now please remember this is aviation.....is this set in concrete?....again is this set in concrete?.....no. Is ABX guaranteed to expand in ASIA.....come on do I really have to answer that one? Is ATI even with their "team"(as another poster said) in place as we speak guaranteed to expand in ASIA...again do I even have to answer that. No more guaranteed than ATI will destroy another airframe anytime soon. The only guarantee is ATI crews are willing to work more for a lot less....again do not shoot the messenger this is the standard management mantra...

nitefr8dog

This is like trying to teach Collage Algebra to a kindergartner...please follow along....I know you are an expert on ABX scope but hear me out. The scope has more than 1 restriction (767 domestic DHL) it also does not allow the original 37 767 aircraft originally owned by ABX long before anyone ever heard of ATI, CCIA, or CAM. to be flown by any "other" carrier under the ATSG umbrella ie;ATI, CCIA. Transfer these "37" airplanes to a company outside ATSG... sure... just like Hete could do with ATI/CCIA aircraft. We are all subject to that. The difference is ATI/CCIA aircraft can be transferred to ABX unless they have scope in place to prevent it. The exception is a 1 for 1 swap as was done to put 315AA on the ABX certificate (formally ATI) an ABX aircraft (1 of the original 37) was "traded" to ATI. That restriction was put in place and agreed to to prevent this very scenario you are drooling over...a group willing to do more for less. As far as the furlough issue it is not worth trying to explain to you....it's enough to say it was a tactic that did not work.... if you do not understand that... you have not been in the airline business long enough or...this is your first experience with airline management or I give up....