Flightmech

Jet was 9.5 years old apparently. Could be a low-hour/high-cycle airplane in the Japanese domestic system.

The Dominican

610A is a 300ER and it is assigned a lot of international medium haul (6 to 9 hour sectors) as well as domestic trips. As to the possibility of it being fixed and returned to the line, well, any damage can be fixed it all really depends on how much money you are willing to spend, it comes a point that the damage will make the airplane more valuable in parts, we shall see I guess.

MeXC

>>Wasn't as simple as that. Landed at NRT around the same time. Probably just before the aircraft concerned.
Winds observed at 1000 ft agl were 240/58-72 kts, dropping down to 230/48 kts steady at 500 ft. And then there was a +/- 15 kts WS reported. On my observation it was more like +/- 20 kts windshear!
And the turbulence was huge. Moderate to moderate/severe turbulence REPORTED by 4 airplane before me from 500 ft to touchdown. I observed Moderate/Severe all the way down from 500 ft to touchdown.
And BTW the winds reported on ground were 220 to 250 at 28 gusting 44 kts. That's a direct crosswind for the runway in use-16R.
And the winds were spot on!
Airport should have been temporarily closed. <<


Doesn't sound like just another summer day...unless the guy either can't observe, can't hear a report correctly, or is stretching the truth.

The Dominican

I wasn't flying that day MExc, I can only go with what I have discussed with my colleagues and the TAF/Metar that i saw, he landed about 30 minutes before the particular flight and the conditions were improving as the afternoon progressed, like I said, several of our flights landed around the time of the incident and these guys are far from reckless risk takers, another aspect that you might not know is that ANA dispatches their flights with plenty of fuel and i can assure you they had suitable airports to divert to and not like someone mentioned that they may have had no other option because of the Typhoon, I wouldn't be surprised if they had fuel to go back to PEK if they needed to, another thing about our operation is that when the weather is marginal, as we are aproaching we get constant reports on turbulence, cross winds and gust factors, not only from other ANA flights but we get all the PIREPS from JAL as well, I'm not saying the weather wasn't challenging, Narita gets pretty challenging in Typhoon season, but I am inclined to believe people that I know and fly with than some poster on PPrune. But then again, I am also just some poster on the net to you, if you want to believe that everyone that landed in NRT that day is a reckless fool, oh well!

Flightmech

Thanks for the info. Like you say, there's plenty more in the fleet it can supply spares to should it be determined repair is not financially viable.

Ludicrous Speed

Look at the video again. It did not touch down nose first.

SteveCostello

Well, it didn't hit nose first on the first bounce. But the second bounce, it most certainly did hit the ground nose first. And how.

Ludicrous Speed

I stand corrected.

MeXC

Dominican, that is not what I believe nor do I want to believe it. Notice I posited a few different likely scenarios. I don't know first hand since I wasn't in Narita that day either. I only asked the question that if you observed that/heard PIREPs of that, how/why would you attempt the landing?
I suspect, given that it wouldn't be very smart to post those conditions and then boast about landing there, that the PPrune poster was straining the limits of credulity.
Also, to say that everyone that landed somewhere on a particular day is a reckless fool isn't too smart and an assumption I wouldn't make. Narita during typhoon season, heck during any season, can have rapidly changing conditions that can make one approach easy and the next, five minutes later, difficult.

OKLATEX

NONE. That's why they pay you to make decisions on whether or not to continue.

There are no missions in the airline world, it isn't worth risking your certificate, career or life. (Doesn't matter if you are flying boxes or pax, same rules apply)