Cautious words from Mr. Smith...
06-23-2012, 07:03 PM
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MEM ddh Europe trips scheduled to domestic parameters
already allowed before this CBA
only for FDA and SIBA, 757 didn't do SIBA and Europe SIBA has gone away for Airbus
Mini RLG against your sick bank
i believe also was the way it previously worked and was just added to CBA for clarity,
only applied to vacation and reserve (due to failed greivance) now to custom lines as well (and we do not own the definition of "mini RLG")
either way is that not fair?
You tell me when your custom line has one 6 hour trip and 3 blocks of reserve. is each block a mini RLG or do all 3 blocks together constitute a mini RLG?
777 exempted from 4a2b line spread requirements
not anymore...
but still a concession
One last thing - All these questions about being out sick for an entire RLG or mini RLG make me wonder how many people have actually read the CBA or LOA before they voted or were they just taking the recommendation from the head shed
already allowed before this CBA
only for FDA and SIBA, 757 didn't do SIBA and Europe SIBA has gone away for Airbus
Mini RLG against your sick bank
i believe also was the way it previously worked and was just added to CBA for clarity,
only applied to vacation and reserve (due to failed greivance) now to custom lines as well (and we do not own the definition of "mini RLG")
either way is that not fair?
You tell me when your custom line has one 6 hour trip and 3 blocks of reserve. is each block a mini RLG or do all 3 blocks together constitute a mini RLG?
777 exempted from 4a2b line spread requirements
not anymore...
but still a concession
One last thing - All these questions about being out sick for an entire RLG or mini RLG make me wonder how many people have actually read the CBA or LOA before they voted or were they just taking the recommendation from the head shed
for sick I think you need to be sick for ALL of your days, mini RLG included, even if there is more than one block. A mini RLG is not established per block.
777 a concession? more like a short term condition and it resulted in nothing so I will take all the concessions I can get like that
not reasonable or fair to have anyone "carved" out but at least it was never able to be utilized. they still can for small bases, which is crap and needs to be fixed.
06-23-2012, 07:42 PM
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They could have done SIBA for the 57 (which is really just a bidding fence they just chose to qualify all pilots and same deal in the Bus) and used domestic rules without it being an FDA. Meaning. They did not get any new ability to do domestic rules just because of establishing an FDA in CGN, they already had it from my read.
for sick I think you need to be sick for ALL of your days, mini RLG included, even if there is more than one block. A mini RLG is not established per block.
777 a concession? more like a short term condition and it resulted in nothing so I will take all the concessions I can get like that not reasonable or fair to have anyone "carved" out but at least it was never able to be utilized. they still can for small bases, which is crap and needs to be fixed.
for sick I think you need to be sick for ALL of your days, mini RLG included, even if there is more than one block. A mini RLG is not established per block.
777 a concession? more like a short term condition and it resulted in nothing so I will take all the concessions I can get like that
not reasonable or fair to have anyone "carved" out but at least it was never able to be utilized. they still can for small bases, which is crap and needs to be fixed.AFW MD11 asked for concessions. I listed just a few. Quantify them however you want!
06-25-2012, 05:45 AM
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Just saw on FOX news during a story on drone jamming, that quote: " The founder of shipping giant FEDEX, wants a fleet of these (Unmanned drones) flying cargo around." What a way to get around the scope issue clause.
06-25-2012, 06:04 AM
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Fred Smith: FedEx wants UAVs - DIY Drones
FedEx founder Fred Smith came by the Wired offices yesterday for a chat on a range of things, but I'll focus here on the bit relevant to this site. He says that they'd like to switch their fleet to UAVs as soon as possible but that this will have to wait for the FAA, which has a tough road ahead in figuring out the rules of NAS integration. Unmanned cargo freighters have lots of advantages for FedEx: safer, cheaper, and much larger capacity. The ideal form is the "blended wing" (example shown). That design doesn't make a clear a distinction between wings and body, so almost all the interior of both can be used for cargo. The result is that the price premium for air over sea would fall from 10x to 2X (with all the speed advantages of air).
As he notes, a modern 777 is already capable of being an unmanned vehicle. "They let the pilots touch the controls for about 20 seconds, to advance the throttles, and then the plane takes over," he said, only half-kidding. The truth is that the plane can take off, fly and land itself. Today pilots drive the planes on the ground, but there's no reason why the computer can't do that, too. Sully's a hero, but Smith's perspective is that humans in the cockpit make the airways more dangerous, not less.
Because the FAA rules are not in place, nobody's built that perfect blended wing UAV for FedEx yet. But Smith believes it's only a matter of time. As he notes, the key thing is having NO people on board, not even as backup. A single person in the craft requires a completely different design, along with radically different economics and logistics. The efficiencies come with 100% robotic operation.
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FedEx founder Fred Smith came by the Wired offices yesterday for a chat on a range of things, but I'll focus here on the bit relevant to this site. He says that they'd like to switch their fleet to UAVs as soon as possible but that this will have to wait for the FAA, which has a tough road ahead in figuring out the rules of NAS integration. Unmanned cargo freighters have lots of advantages for FedEx: safer, cheaper, and much larger capacity. The ideal form is the "blended wing" (example shown). That design doesn't make a clear a distinction between wings and body, so almost all the interior of both can be used for cargo. The result is that the price premium for air over sea would fall from 10x to 2X (with all the speed advantages of air).
As he notes, a modern 777 is already capable of being an unmanned vehicle. "They let the pilots touch the controls for about 20 seconds, to advance the throttles, and then the plane takes over," he said, only half-kidding. The truth is that the plane can take off, fly and land itself. Today pilots drive the planes on the ground, but there's no reason why the computer can't do that, too. Sully's a hero, but Smith's perspective is that humans in the cockpit make the airways more dangerous, not less.
Because the FAA rules are not in place, nobody's built that perfect blended wing UAV for FedEx yet. But Smith believes it's only a matter of time. As he notes, the key thing is having NO people on board, not even as backup. A single person in the craft requires a completely different design, along with radically different economics and logistics. The efficiencies come with 100% robotic operation.
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06-25-2012, 06:26 AM
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The sky is falling!
Fred Smith: FedEx wants UAVs - DIY Drones
FedEx founder Fred Smith came by the Wired offices yesterday for a chat on a range of things, but I'll focus here on the bit relevant to this site. He says that they'd like to switch their fleet to UAVs as soon as possible but that this will have to wait for the FAA, which has a tough road ahead in figuring out the rules of NAS integration. Unmanned cargo freighters have lots of advantages for FedEx: safer, cheaper, and much larger capacity. The ideal form is the "blended wing" (example shown). That design doesn't make a clear a distinction between wings and body, so almost all the interior of both can be used for cargo. The result is that the price premium for air over sea would fall from 10x to 2X (with all the speed advantages of air).
As he notes, a modern 777 is already capable of being an unmanned vehicle. "They let the pilots touch the controls for about 20 seconds, to advance the throttles, and then the plane takes over," he said, only half-kidding. The truth is that the plane can take off, fly and land itself. Today pilots drive the planes on the ground, but there's no reason why the computer can't do that, too. Sully's a hero, but Smith's perspective is that humans in the cockpit make the airways more dangerous, not less.
Because the FAA rules are not in place, nobody's built that perfect blended wing UAV for FedEx yet. But Smith believes it's only a matter of time. As he notes, the key thing is having NO people on board, not even as backup. A single person in the craft requires a completely different design, along with radically different economics and logistics. The efficiencies come with 100% robotic operation.
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FedEx founder Fred Smith came by the Wired offices yesterday for a chat on a range of things, but I'll focus here on the bit relevant to this site. He says that they'd like to switch their fleet to UAVs as soon as possible but that this will have to wait for the FAA, which has a tough road ahead in figuring out the rules of NAS integration. Unmanned cargo freighters have lots of advantages for FedEx: safer, cheaper, and much larger capacity. The ideal form is the "blended wing" (example shown). That design doesn't make a clear a distinction between wings and body, so almost all the interior of both can be used for cargo. The result is that the price premium for air over sea would fall from 10x to 2X (with all the speed advantages of air).
As he notes, a modern 777 is already capable of being an unmanned vehicle. "They let the pilots touch the controls for about 20 seconds, to advance the throttles, and then the plane takes over," he said, only half-kidding. The truth is that the plane can take off, fly and land itself. Today pilots drive the planes on the ground, but there's no reason why the computer can't do that, too. Sully's a hero, but Smith's perspective is that humans in the cockpit make the airways more dangerous, not less.
Because the FAA rules are not in place, nobody's built that perfect blended wing UAV for FedEx yet. But Smith believes it's only a matter of time. As he notes, the key thing is having NO people on board, not even as backup. A single person in the craft requires a completely different design, along with radically different economics and logistics. The efficiencies come with 100% robotic operation.
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Having attended a conference with civilians on behalf of USAF, we are a long ways from this. Costs and redundancies, let along certification for technology that is unable work in current FARs makes this a long way down the road. Boeing stated at the conference that there was little or no interest in unmanned freighters, and they didn't see how it could be accomplished for commercial purposes for a very long time.
None of the military technology is FAR certified for national airspace, and a few other minor issues that are a LONG way down the road...but never underestimate someone's needs and desires to reduce payroll.
Glad we had this little chat.
06-25-2012, 08:37 AM
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Any of you young whippersnappers remember when FedEx "bought" 3 Concorde SST's ?
Shortly after one made the cover of AW&ST, in full livery, FedEx cancelled the buy due to long term parts availability. Publicity gained, mission accomplished....near zero cost......just sayin'
Regards,
BG
Shortly after one made the cover of AW&ST, in full livery, FedEx cancelled the buy due to long term parts availability. Publicity gained, mission accomplished....near zero cost......just sayin'
Regards,
BG
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