Shockwaves

Rumor..............No more recalls until 20:15 Z. Place your bet on month, day and year.

FDXLAG

Is it two weeks already? Actually because only the hours went down and all the other bennies stayed in place you worked 10 and got paid for 12. Unlike brown where some pilots are still working 0 and get paid for 0.

UPSAv8tr

Actually, what he said was that they have had confidential briefings with the company regarding TNT but that they signed non-disclosure agreements. So its entirely possible this was discussed. They just can't comment on it publicly yet.

BrownClown

Your 4a2b provision wouldn't work at UPS. They'd have an excuse to stay in it perpetually. Yes, pilots got furloughed, but it wasn't for the lack of the IPA trying to change that. UPS decided to furlough regardless of the voluntary measures the IPA was continuing to make work. UPS chose to shove it down our throats.
Virtually every furloughed pilot didn't want to come back to a degraded contract. Out of 2600 pilots on the list, less than a dozen increased their hours above line value, picked up open time or accepted JA. Plus, we paid the insurance of every furloughee that needed it.

Jetjok

Without question, you guys (IPA as well as your rank and file) did all you could to negate that furlough, and then once UPS changed their offer and did furlough, you all, once again, did the honorable thing. I've always said that you guys have a really tight union. Wish ours was as strong, but it will probably never happen. It's a good thing that our management is somewhat better than yours, which makes our day-to-day environment more reasonable than yours.

JJ

brownie

Just remember half of s...t sandwich still a s..t sandwich so the ipa decided to half non of it. I guess you enjoyed yours for 2 years and it was so yummy that Freddie is about to toss you the other half. Bon apetite

Busboy

Brownie is still talking about "s..t". Ironic.

FDXLAG

We have very similar contracts, it would be interesting to see who cost their company more. I think some of you brown guys might be surprised. We do a lot of things over here where a senior guy can pick up a lot of extra flying real easy and still keep a fairly low profile. Several seats and locations always seem to average significantly more flying than other seats. Not complaining it is just the FDX MEC way.

Our 4A2b provision in theory is probably not a whole lot different than your anti furlough provisions. It is supposed to share the pain before anyone is forced out. Had we had stronger language our 4A2b would have worked out a lot like yours, most guys making minimum guarantee. In practice though the company was able to screw half the crew force while keeping some seats well above average. Personally I like the idea of not furloughing, ending 4A2b is probably an easier decision for management to make than recalling pilots.

I am in no position to say who has the better contract. My point is neither is brownie.

Busboy

I second all of that, except it's NOT the ALPA way. It's the FDX way. FDX is the only ALPA carrier I know of that doesn't have a monthly cap, that precludes carryover gluttony like we have at FDX.

Sideshow Bob

It's about time you guys came over onto one of OUR threads...we get tired of crashing yours.

Our in-house forum is more fun anyway...we get to use colorful language and have a political mosh-pit to boot. The last bastion of non-vagified, non-PC verbal American Gladiator. Plus, everybody knows who everybody else is. And as an added bonus, we get to inject dis-information to management via the UPS moles that sneak on...UPS labor has a full time thug reading it all the time. He's gotta be losing his mind by now.