More HKG Housing "Grey Area"
06-14-2012, 07:29 PM
#71
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How about the fact that union emails and official statements on video continue to push the amnesty program on these pilots, for one.
If there was just one statement from SS acknowledging that our MEC believes these pilots are innocent of wrong doing and have no need of amnesty, I think they might actually believe that they are "supported".
If there was just one statement from SS acknowledging that our MEC believes these pilots are innocent of wrong doing and have no need of amnesty, I think they might actually believe that they are "supported".
I would start to think the same thing. So far...Not too convinced.
06-15-2012, 12:00 AM
#72
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I made the mistake of assuming you were engaging in actual debate.
(Better make that call to Kirby before lunchtime.)
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06-15-2012, 12:47 AM
#73
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Gentlemen:
I implore you to Please stop this infighting.
While we do not always agree with each other, as Seniority # Line holding Pilots ,we are on the same side. Yes even if we have Polar opinions.
The Firings of the HKG 4 are Not the fault of DW or the MEC's past or present.
The Union did not fire these Pilots........Management Did.
The Union did not Invoke 4 A 2 B..........Management Did.
The Union doesn't tweek the Optimizer..Management does best which isn't always to our benefit.
While things are not always Utopian, Pilots step up to serve in
Union Positions, some Paid and some volunteers.
I thank them for doing it, even if I do not agree with them.
Why anyone volunteers to do UNION work is beyond me. (I sure do not want to)
Our pilots who take the job get it from both sides, Management and the Pilots they are working for.
If people do not step up to do the Job what then? Does anybody really think we are better off without a UNION.
Management will continue to do what it does best and that often isn't always to our benefit.
Again we are all on the same receiving end are we not?
It is ok to debate, but please do it Respectfully and think about who is really the common FOE here.
Please Chill and Have a nice evening.
I implore you to Please stop this infighting.
While we do not always agree with each other, as Seniority # Line holding Pilots ,we are on the same side. Yes even if we have Polar opinions.
The Firings of the HKG 4 are Not the fault of DW or the MEC's past or present.
The Union did not fire these Pilots........Management Did.
The Union did not Invoke 4 A 2 B..........Management Did.
The Union doesn't tweek the Optimizer..Management does best which isn't always to our benefit.
While things are not always Utopian, Pilots step up to serve in
Union Positions, some Paid and some volunteers.
I thank them for doing it, even if I do not agree with them.
Why anyone volunteers to do UNION work is beyond me. (I sure do not want to)
Our pilots who take the job get it from both sides, Management and the Pilots they are working for.
If people do not step up to do the Job what then? Does anybody really think we are better off without a UNION.
Management will continue to do what it does best and that often isn't always to our benefit.
Again we are all on the same receiving end are we not?
It is ok to debate, but please do it Respectfully and think about who is really the common FOE here.
Please Chill and Have a nice evening.
06-15-2012, 01:37 AM
#74
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Quick question: If you are going to dump on TonyC for being part of the MEC that produced the original LOA; Ask yourself - where was SS and other members of the current MEC when the original LOA was passed?
06-15-2012, 02:53 AM
#75
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: MD11 CRA
Posts: 684
Ahhh, I get it now. You're not as dense as you're pretending to be (or maybe you are, but that's not relevant now), you're just using this as a way of blaming DW for the firings.
I made the mistake of assuming you were engaging in actual debate.
(Better make that call to Kirby before lunchtime.)
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I made the mistake of assuming you were engaging in actual debate.
(Better make that call to Kirby before lunchtime.)
.
06-15-2012, 03:01 AM
#76
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: MD11 CRA
Posts: 684
Gentlemen:
I implore you to Please stop this infighting.
While we do not always agree with each other, as Seniority # Line holding Pilots ,we are on the same side. Yes even if we have Polar opinions.
The Firings of the HKG 4 are Not the fault of DW or the MEC's past or present.
The Union did not fire these Pilots........Management Did.
The Union did not Invoke 4 A 2 B..........Management Did.
The Union doesn't tweek the Optimizer..Management does best which isn't always to our benefit.
While things are not always Utopian, Pilots step up to serve in
Union Positions, some Paid and some volunteers.
I thank them for doing it, even if I do not agree with them.
Why anyone volunteers to do UNION work is beyond me. (I sure do not want to)
Our pilots who take the job get it from both sides, Management and the Pilots they are working for.
If people do not step up to do the Job what then? Does anybody really think we are better off without a UNION.
Management will continue to do what it does best and that often isn't always to our benefit.
Again we are all on the same receiving end are we not?
It is ok to debate, but please do it Respectfully and think about who is really the common FOE here.
Please Chill and Have a nice evening.
I implore you to Please stop this infighting.
While we do not always agree with each other, as Seniority # Line holding Pilots ,we are on the same side. Yes even if we have Polar opinions.
The Firings of the HKG 4 are Not the fault of DW or the MEC's past or present.
The Union did not fire these Pilots........Management Did.
The Union did not Invoke 4 A 2 B..........Management Did.
The Union doesn't tweek the Optimizer..Management does best which isn't always to our benefit.
While things are not always Utopian, Pilots step up to serve in
Union Positions, some Paid and some volunteers.
I thank them for doing it, even if I do not agree with them.
Why anyone volunteers to do UNION work is beyond me. (I sure do not want to)
Our pilots who take the job get it from both sides, Management and the Pilots they are working for.
If people do not step up to do the Job what then? Does anybody really think we are better off without a UNION.
Management will continue to do what it does best and that often isn't always to our benefit.
Again we are all on the same receiving end are we not?
It is ok to debate, but please do it Respectfully and think about who is really the common FOE here.
Please Chill and Have a nice evening.
Last edited by FreightDawgyDog; 06-15-2012 at 03:13 AM.
06-15-2012, 03:12 AM
#77
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Position: MD11 CRA
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How about the fact that union emails and official statements on video continue to push the amnesty program on these pilots, for one.
If there was just one statement from SS acknowledging that our MEC believes these pilots are innocent of wrong doing and have no need of amnesty, I think they might actually believe that they are "supported".
If there was just one statement from SS acknowledging that our MEC believes these pilots are innocent of wrong doing and have no need of amnesty, I think they might actually believe that they are "supported".
In fact, I would implore anyone here who has a question about the MEC's behavior to call them instead of putting suppositions and innuendo about them on this board. Then, when you post critical words about them you at least have given them a chance to explain what they are doing whether you agree with them or not.
06-15-2012, 03:22 AM
#78
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See answer above to Red as to why I even broached the subject. Unless you were part of the 32%, everyone who voted for this POS bears some blame. I never absolved anyone of anything and if SS was on this board being critical of the DW regime for this issue I would likely have posted the same to him, asking if he felt any responsibility for this mess while he poked at others. Anyway, I appreciate your professional tone. Bottom line is Red is right and NONE of us should be blaming anyone on our side for the table for what happened since none of us terminated anyone.
06-15-2012, 04:00 AM
#79
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The ONLY blame for the wrongful termination of our brother pilots rests squarely and exclusively on FedEx Flight Management.
(Wrong, like dense, is an adjective, not a name.)
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06-15-2012, 04:21 AM
#80
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