More HKG Housing "Grey Area"
06-14-2012, 08:26 AM
#61
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answer: ALL Captain vacancies in HKG will be filled
reason: Passover Payback if they don't keep HKG CA on their bid and can't hold WB CA anywhere else yet.
question: how many FedEx pilots on HKG Passover Pay will pull their bid & pay back all previous passover pay in order to take a stand?
answer: unknown given the magnitude of the crisis - but very unlikely that ANY would pull their standing bid knowing they'd have a wad of cash to pay back (IMHO) - discuss
reason: Passover Payback if they don't keep HKG CA on their bid and can't hold WB CA anywhere else yet.
question: how many FedEx pilots on HKG Passover Pay will pull their bid & pay back all previous passover pay in order to take a stand?
answer: unknown given the magnitude of the crisis - but very unlikely that ANY would pull their standing bid knowing they'd have a wad of cash to pay back (IMHO) - discuss
06-14-2012, 08:50 AM
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No, I did not take pot shots at the current MEC for not cleaning up the mess left by those before them to my liking. I made a comment about the post that I quoted, more specifically about the quote from our MEC Vice Chairman. He said, "... we support the individual pilots involved 100%, but ..." I would have been happy if he had put the period before the but.
Instead, he insinuated that the pilots made their own beds, and they can solve the problem any day by simply agreeing to the terms of the settlement offers. I'm pretty sure he's familiar with the terms of the agreements which include the pilots acknowledging they committed fraud.
Now, that sounds a lot like the amnesty offers made to POWs. If you'll simply acknowledge your war crimes, confess your illegal actions, we will let you free and send you home.
Thus my comment.
As for the other stuff you brought up, I'll be happy to discuss it anytime ... in another thread. I'd prefer not to hijack this one.
I noticed two other posters commented on the same MEC Vice Chairman's remark. Do they get accused of drive by's too?
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Instead, he insinuated that the pilots made their own beds, and they can solve the problem any day by simply agreeing to the terms of the settlement offers. I'm pretty sure he's familiar with the terms of the agreements which include the pilots acknowledging they committed fraud.
Now, that sounds a lot like the amnesty offers made to POWs. If you'll simply acknowledge your war crimes, confess your illegal actions, we will let you free and send you home.
Thus my comment.
As for the other stuff you brought up, I'll be happy to discuss it anytime ... in another thread. I'd prefer not to hijack this one.
I noticed two other posters commented on the same MEC Vice Chairman's remark. Do they get accused of drive by's too?
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06-14-2012, 09:50 AM
#63
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The other two posted more thought as opposed to a quick analogy (that any former POW should be offended by BTW), so no I didn't consider them drive bys. As far as not wanting to respond to my question, feel free to start another thread on your own. I just found it ironic that a guy who stood up with DW and told us all we needed to vote for the LOA which led to the firing of the 4 now feels the need to toss rocks at those trying to fix the very serious issues it has caused.
It is tough to agree with both of you at the same time, but you and Tony are talking about different issues and both have good points. FDD I guess the question is how sincere is the MEC trying to fix the very serious issues when they make comments like the ones quoted earlier. It seems to me the HKG 4 are trying to fix the issues with or without the MEC.
06-14-2012, 10:17 AM
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The other two posted more thought as opposed to a quick analogy (that any former POW should be offended by BTW), so no I didn't consider them drive bys. As far as not wanting to respond to my question, feel free to start another thread on your own. I just found it ironic that a guy who stood up with DW and told us all we needed to vote for the LOA which led to the firing of the 4 now feels the need to toss rocks at those trying to fix the very serious issues it has caused.
Do you even bother to read?
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06-14-2012, 10:30 AM
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06-14-2012, 03:03 PM
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My bad Tony. So your previous comments relating to our VC's remarks where your way of supporting him and the MEC and in no way a slight against how they are handling this sad situation. I'll be sure to read better next time. In the meantime just keep dodging the question about your part in getting the original poorly written and thought out LOA passed that led to all this. Oh that's right.. your saving it for another thread. I won't hold my breath..
06-14-2012, 03:07 PM
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Any comparison between what POW's went through in any war, especially WWII and Vietnam, to 4 pilots losing their jobs (no matter how unfair it looks) is inappropriate IMO. Having been personally acquainted and related with several and having heard their stories I don't feel like I am going out on a limb here. YMMV
06-14-2012, 03:20 PM
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It is tough to agree with both of you at the same time, but you and Tony are talking about different issues and both have good points. FDD I guess the question is how sincere is the MEC trying to fix the very serious issues when they make comments like the ones quoted earlier. It seems to me the HKG 4 are trying to fix the issues with or without the MEC.
06-14-2012, 05:55 PM
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If someone can tell me what else they can legally do to help the 4 that they have not done I am all ears. If anyone has proof that the MEC is not sincerely trying their legal best to help these 4 then present your proof. I will be the first to call Kirby tomorrow with my complaint if you can..
If there was just one statement from SS acknowledging that our MEC believes these pilots are innocent of wrong doing and have no need of amnesty, I think they might actually believe that they are "supported".
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