MeXC

Yeah, 4A2B, not exactly a "we've got your back" moment from our union.
It's almost as if he's saying it's their stubborn ways that are keeping them from rejoining the Just Culture.

MaxKts

I wonder what their response would be if the pilots involved had seniority numbers with only 3 digits

TonyC

And the POWs could be released if they'd only sign the confessions.






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TonyC

Too many questions and not enough information.

#7 on the list is on the 09-02 FEPP list. Every other Awardee below him is senior to the most junior captain in HKG and therefore eligible for FEPP. However, without access to all the FEPP lists and each individual Standing Bid, it's impossible to answer your questions difinitively -- we can only make educated guesses.

Since there's a "missing" FEPP list, it's hard to even know how many of those who received bid awards are receiving the FEPP. Three are on the 09-02 FEPP list; at least one is on the FEPP list which isn't published, and I suspect there are more.

Even if we can determine which pilots were receiving FEPP and who also received the bid award, we cannot know their motivation. Perhaps they did it "to avoid paying back FEPP," or perhaps they did it because they thirst for adventure.

Finally, without seeing all the FEPP lists and what each individual did with his or her standing bid, we cannot know how many will end up paying it back. A pilot who did not receive the bid award may have gotten lucky and is not on the hook for the money, or he may have gotten scared and made a change to his standing bid which requires repayment.







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Adlerdriver

“Yes, we support the individual pilots involved 100%, but they have chosen their own course, which is to seek arbitration.” But, since they didn’t take the easy way we offered and accept amnesty, our support is in word only.

“Please know that they can get their jobs back tomorrow, if they decide to do so.”
All it would take is for them to sell themselves out, admit to infractions they didn’t commit, pay thousands of dollars and walk on egg shells for the rest of their career.

Wow. Great support. This “support” is about the same as a prison guard walking into the shower in the middle of a gang rape and throwing the poor guy a tube of KY.
It’s all about expediency and moving the process along – very little about the integrity and self-respect of the individuals involved. Pretty pathetic.

My next stop is pay-pal and the support fund.

Huck

How defenseless they must feel, if that type of stuff is coming from THEIR corner....

RedeyeAV8r

Grow a pair?

They are following system Board per the contract.

There won't be a quick solution if the Company isn't interested in solving this.

Termination procedures are long and painful (especially for the accused)

Give the Union credit.

They have been very successful in most of our disciplinary cases.

FreightDawgyDog

Nice drive by Tony. Many of us on this board pointed out during the original vote on this LOA that is was sub standard in many areas, including language, and needed to be fixed before voting on it. The MEC and Neg Committee at the time (other than the Subic Rep) pretty much rammed this down our throat and sold it hard instead of listening. If I recall, they even went on a campaign of telling us all we could change our vote before it closed when they thought it would be close. Now you take pot shots at the current MEC for not cleaning up the mess left by those before them to your liking. Just curious, do you, as a member of the MEC that pushed this steaming pile on us in the first place instead of fixing it as many requested, feel any responsibility at all for what has happened? Now I support the 4 and hope they can get their jobs back, and that is not what I am questioning. I just find it very frustrating that you are taking pot shots at our current MEC while they are spending so much of their time and our dues money fighting a battle that could have been avoided if the 32% lunatic fringe had been listened to by the MEC you were on.

TonyC

No, I did not take pot shots at the current MEC for not cleaning up the mess left by those before them to my liking. I made a comment about the post that I quoted, more specifically about the quote from our MEC Vice Chairman. He said, "... we support the individual pilots involved 100%, but ..." I would have been happy if he had put the period before the but.

Instead, he insinuated that the pilots made their own beds, and they can solve the problem any day by simply agreeing to the terms of the settlement offers. I'm pretty sure he's familiar with the terms of the agreements which include the pilots acknowledging they committed fraud.

Now, that sounds a lot like the amnesty offers made to POWs. If you'll simply acknowledge your war crimes, confess your illegal actions, we will let you free and send you home.

Thus my comment.



As for the other stuff you brought up, I'll be happy to discuss it anytime ... in another thread. I'd prefer not to hijack this one.


I noticed two other posters commented on the same MEC Vice Chairman's remark. Do they get accused of drive by's too?






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Gunter

Truer words have not been spoken.