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Spanky

FLMDCAPT, Like your post. Could not agree more. Tony. Wake up. Your union brothers have spoken and they are not in agreement with you.

skypine27

+1
Let no portion of the DW/BC/EM/WR machine ever return! Good riddance.

HKFlyr

Not to defend anyone, but that is what a lot of HK people are saying about the current people in office...funny how people forget anything positive you did after your gone, but then again, Roosevelt would have been impeached had he lived, Churchill voted out the year after the war...It isn't what you got done while in office, it was the last thing negative that happened right before you left.

My 2 cents worth.

Glad we had this little chat.

HKFlyr

But more importantly and back to the fact of the HK4, the last MEC had 4 pilots fired, and immediately set up a financial donation fund...didn't discourage it. They risked their jobs in the jumpseat war over PIC authority. These guys had our support and knew it.

This administration says it would be bad and might not help their case with the arbitrator...I think it is more like they don't want to openly be confrontational with a decision the company made...disgusting...

Our leadership needs to get some stones...

Again, glad we had this little chat.

golfandfly

I'm not sure what you want the union to do. They've worked in behalf of the four terminated pilots and spent a large chunk of money in their defense. The pilots have an opportunity to get their jobs back. It's certainly not a great settlement, but one they probably wouldn't have without union representation. People here believe that the union can "get their jobs back." That just isn't the way it works. Unlike some of us, I'm not disappointed in our union. I like the approach to negotiating, it may or may not work, but it is an interesting attempt. Traditional methods haven't been overly successful either, in my opinion.

I think the union is taking a practical approach to the situation. These pilots may find it very difficult to win arbitration. While we can all debate what a primary or permanent residence may be, the basic information that the company provided us makes it difficult to say that some of these pilots were actually living in Hong Kong. I don't want to rehash residency or the right of the company to investigate our lives, but in the end, the question will probably be "Did they relocate to Hong Kong?"

I also think the hope of a discrimination suit against Fedex is beyond ridiculous. Fedex has a legal team that is way beyond what ALPA or the individual pilots will ever attain. I sure wouldn't want to place my hope of getting my job back from this plan.

Next, should they assess the pilots? I don't know, but there is a fund that is available for all pilots that choose to donate. If you want to donate, send in money....

Also, do you have to end every post with "Again, glad we had this little chat"?

HKFlyr

Got to love it - Thought I would start out my post with this, since you seem to like it so much. Want to just write my posts also? My father once said "opinions are like A#$#Holes, everyone has one and some of them stink". You have your opinion and I have mine. I guess we'll agree to disagree.

I don't want an assessment, never said I did, but in the past we had no problem setting up a voluntary fund for support. The current MEC has done everything they can to keep that from happening.

You also seem to know all the facts, or so you think, and you already have them guilty and sold down the river.

I'm sure you wouldn't volunteer a penny, to help a fellow pilot, nor would you volunteer for ALPA work either. Just guessing.

Keep up the posts like that, sounds like your bucking for management.

Glad we had this little chat.

golfandfly

I never said they were "guilty" or not. I just said I wouldn't want to risk my job on arbitration or a discrimination suit against Fedex. They just might win in arbitration, but the fact remains that they might not get the answer that they want. It's their choice not mine, and I wish them luck.

We have argued residency for some time and whether the company can dictate where we live. I think the LOA is a piece of ##it, but we (the union) ratified it.


Also, I have done volunteer work for the union. I have never run for office and have no desire to do so. What about you?

Glad we had this little chat...

skypine27

It is a piece of ^^^^. And we can thank the DW/BC/EM/WR machine for that horrific document and the dog and pony shows required to sell it to 68% of us.

[note: not a jab at you but rather directed at anyone wishing the Webbites were back doing anything for us other than hub turns.]

HKFlyr

We agree on that. I wouldn't bet my job on the arb or lawsuit, but they all were steadfast on not signing up for the so-called amnesty. That was a major fly in the ointment, as it was an admission to defrauding the company, very harsh, very one way.

Also agree the LOA is a piece of dog poo. One of the amazing things is there is no return to the US package. 7 days off, a ticket, 3k weight allowance, nothing else. No hotel, dependent upon training completion...

Fortunately have done years of work for the association-(unfortunately sometimes if you ask my wife due phones calls at all hours of the night or on vacation..but I digress) elected office - ugh..politics sucks...and those are political jobs.

Regret if I was short in my previous response, a little sleep deprived after first day out...(former SCP said never post with an open bottle nearby, or sleep deprived...)

And really glad we had this little chat...lol