FDX - Fly Now/Grieve Later???
06-07-2012, 11:39 AM
#21
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If it's something that's already been grieved/arbitrated before and the "interpretation" has been decided (for both sides), then no - you/we're stuck with that result (until we re-negotiate a different deal/language)
06-08-2012, 01:34 AM
#22
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Agreed, AFW, but we are stuck with a majority of folks that think "I'll never bid there" or "I'll never have to grieve an issue" that will never vote to change it. I predict 32% would support a change, the Kool-Aid bunch will march forward with their 60%+ majority.
06-08-2012, 03:44 AM
#23
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If you've ever placed a call to "Contract Enforcement" (Sir "D"), you would not only be disappointed in the "enforcement" enthusiasm Sir "D" exudes. After the call terminates, you begin to wonder how much purple is giving him under the table and what pictures does he have (and of who) that prevents him from getting sacked.
Rossi, My experience both times I spoke with SIR D. How this guy keeps his job is a mystery to me. He works for US not the other way around, maybe it should be explained to him by someone in ALPA power.
06-08-2012, 04:10 AM
#24
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Scheds sees the contract as black and white, There are "directives" from their Sr. manager (JK) on HIS interpretation (with the help of Contract Admin) of most issues in the CBA. Scheds goes into a situation pre-armed with what they can and can't do. It is up to us as PROFESSIONAL individuals to make sure the scheduler completely advises us of what they are assigning us, and we need to repeat that assignment back and make sure that we document the time of the call, and the name of the scheduler we speak with. Then, as PROFESSIONALS we need to fly the pairing, or do the standby pairing to the best of our abilities without EVER compromising safety, or flying fatigued. Once complete, file the grievance with as MUCH detail as possible, and without any emotional overtones. I have seen this process work, and I have seen scheds get caught with their pants down......that being said, it will continue to be an uphill battle until we get a contract with language that is clear and unambiguous. As unpalatable as this might seem to some, change won't happen overnight, but if we keep chipping away at some of the nonsense that scheds tries to pull, we'll eventually arm our union with enough ammo to fight back and effect change.
06-08-2012, 02:37 PM
#26
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Scheds sees the contract as black and white, There are "directives" from their Sr. manager (JK) on HIS interpretation (with the help of Contract Admin) of most issues in the CBA. Scheds goes into a situation pre-armed with what they can and can't do. It is up to us as PROFESSIONAL individuals to make sure the scheduler completely advises us of what they are assigning us, and we need to repeat that assignment back and make sure that we document the time of the call, and the name of the scheduler we speak with. Then, as PROFESSIONALS we need to fly the pairing, or do the standby pairing to the best of our abilities without EVER compromising safety, or flying fatigued. Once complete, file the grievance with as MUCH detail as possible, and without any emotional overtones. I have seen this process work, and I have seen scheds get caught with their pants down......that being said, it will continue to be an uphill battle until we get a contract with language that is clear and unambiguous. As unpalatable as this might seem to some, change won't happen overnight, but if we keep chipping away at some of the nonsense that scheds tries to pull, we'll eventually arm our union with enough ammo to fight back and effect change.
New guys, read and heed.
Slow and steady will win the race.
06-09-2012, 06:27 AM
#27
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Position: Scarebus Captain
Posts: 1,090
Scheds sees the contract as black and white, There are "directives" from their Sr. manager (JK) on HIS interpretation (with the help of Contract Admin) of most issues in the CBA. Scheds goes into a situation pre-armed with what they can and can't do. It is up to us as PROFESSIONAL individuals to make sure the scheduler completely advises us of what they are assigning us, and we need to repeat that assignment back and make sure that we document the time of the call, and the name of the scheduler we speak with. Then, as PROFESSIONALS we need to fly the pairing, or do the standby pairing to the best of our abilities without EVER compromising safety, or flying fatigued. Once complete, file the grievance with as MUCH detail as possible, and without any emotional overtones. I have seen this process work, and I have seen scheds get caught with their pants down......that being said, it will continue to be an uphill battle until we get a contract with language that is clear and unambiguous. As unpalatable as this might seem to some, change won't happen overnight, but if we keep chipping away at some of the nonsense that scheds tries to pull, we'll eventually arm our union with enough ammo to fight back and effect change.
So when you think they are WRONG. Politely question but when they don't budge, fly it and then grieve. Provided you are safe and legal.
FYI...YMMV
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