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Old 06-05-2012, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaggy1970
Just curious if you always speak in riddles. Man I feel bad for people that have to deal with you on a daily basis.
Just asking a few simple questions. There is no riddle, or at least there should be no riddle.

Why don't you use a little of that credibility you claim to answer those simple questions?

Integrity check?

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Old 06-05-2012, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by To Stay or Go
The other mitigating factor causing lower furloughs was the fact that all of our junior guys were in ANC in the same seats. They would have loved to trim the bottom off of each fleet.

Betcha they'd have rather trimmed the top off.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by To Stay or Go
Only 43 haven't been offered recall, but your point is duly noted.

The management here sucks. They make money despite themselves.

Pretty smart for ALL to avoid recall as long as they can. At least until new hiring begins. Otherwise you could be hit with another furlough at the drop of a hat.

Now that they've tasted it, I expect UPS to furlough again.

The recovery is in so much trouble again there are rumblings Bush era tax cuts may be extended another year.

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Old 06-05-2012, 09:26 PM
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Agreed. I fear the last furloughed pilot won't be back on property before the next round of letters goes out. When the Euro collapses, the global economy will tank. TNT won't look like such a good deal (even paying for it in dollars).

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Old 06-05-2012, 09:29 PM
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Hey guys I was just trying to point out what a major role UPS plays in the daily lives of a lot of our consumers both domestic and international. The company along with FEDEX is a vital part of international commerce and the shipment of goods and services. How UPS treats their employees is another issue!

Interesting discussion to observe.
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Old 06-05-2012, 10:10 PM
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Dec 2012 is the 5 year point of the Age 65 change. That's means mandatory retirEments. I can see guys on mil bypassing, but how many others have civilian jobs making enough money to justify bypassing? Not many I bet.
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Old 06-06-2012, 05:28 AM
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JJ -

Are you asking these questions of HERKDRIVER74, expecting him to answer on behalf of Gary Hoover, or think that he has some in-depth insight to Gary's investigative reporting methods?

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Looks to me like you are asking questions -just to read your own posts.
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Old 06-06-2012, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle
Could you explain how each of those numbers were arrived at, and exactly what was involved?

300 pilots @ 150k= 45 million and as I'm sure you can understand 100 pilots @150k= 15 million. This is on an annual basis of course.



Pay attention now Shaggy, this is what is known as a credibility check.

Most of us can easily accept and forgive a simple error in arithmetic, such as in the counting of a small number of letters, it is failures of integrity that do permanent damage.
hmmm no Jungle I can't explain how those numbers where arrived at in detail. not even in loose terms. I am goggling info and reading press releases from around that time. It seems on some quotes the IPA only managed $117 million ( IPA press release from Thrush again 5/23/2010 )



One quote from a UPS press release dated 6/8/2009 :

UPS and the IPA subsequently agreed on cost-cutting targets totalling $131 million over the next three years.

Using a variety of voluntary steps, the IPA to date has identified savings totalling approximately $90 million dollars pending final calculations. Although the full three-year goal was not reached by last week's original June 2, 2009, deadline, UPS and the union have agreed there will be no furloughs through April 1, 2010, and that the IPA will continue to work this year to produce additional savings.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy
Looks to me like you are asking questions -just to read your own posts.
Yep - trying to catch Rickair777 in total post count.
The person at the end of the year with the most posts gets a $15 gift certificate from IB!

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You are giving Marines a bad image here, I thought for a minute you were a helo driver, ***?
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