UPS A Great American Company
06-04-2012, 06:25 PM
#11
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Yeah jungle, I'm sure the families in Alaska (might as well be a foreign country) appreciated being laid off by this "good company" after UPS turned down the IPA's job saving program which easily would have saved UPS more money in the long run than the furlough did.
Try to pay attention to the discussion.
Try to pay attention to the discussion.
06-04-2012, 06:33 PM
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What, in any part of my statement is untrue? Or are you just doing your typical talking in riddle nonsense because you put your foot in your mouth again defending UPS and demeaning IPA?
Did UPS not furlough pilots in Alaska even after IPA offered over $100 million in savings to prevent a furlough? And wasn't UPS' numbers based on furloughing at least 300 pilots for at least three years, which they never even came close to reaching?
Your move, oh wise, riddle casting, fork tongued genius.
Did UPS not furlough pilots in Alaska even after IPA offered over $100 million in savings to prevent a furlough? And wasn't UPS' numbers based on furloughing at least 300 pilots for at least three years, which they never even came close to reaching?
Your move, oh wise, riddle casting, fork tongued genius.
06-04-2012, 06:42 PM
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JJ
06-04-2012, 06:58 PM
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What, in any part of my statement is untrue? Or are you just doing your typical talking in riddle nonsense because you put your foot in your mouth again defending UPS and demeaning IPA?
Did UPS not furlough pilots in Alaska even after IPA offered over $100 million in savings to prevent a furlough? And wasn't UPS' numbers based on furloughing at least 300 pilots for at least three years, which they never even came close to reaching?
Your move, oh wise, riddle casting, fork tongued genius.
Did UPS not furlough pilots in Alaska even after IPA offered over $100 million in savings to prevent a furlough? And wasn't UPS' numbers based on furloughing at least 300 pilots for at least three years, which they never even came close to reaching?
Your move, oh wise, riddle casting, fork tongued genius.
I, you, and the IPA don't run the company. Never have and never will.
I'm very happy with that result, it may not be the best outcome for everyone, but it has proved to be the best outcome over time for the vast majority.
You are going to learn that you, the IPA and UPS are not infallible, and I can tell you that I have made more than my share of mistakes. What counts is that you can recover from your mistakes. Bash it all you like, but in the end you have no valid argument against long term success.
I would say that both FEDEX and UPS are great American companies, the real irony is that they had to fight the government and the Postal monopoly for decades to get there.
Last edited by jungle; 06-04-2012 at 07:16 PM.
06-04-2012, 07:18 PM
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You might want to check your numbers there slick.
How bout you respond with where I am wrong in my statement, instead of your usual rhetoric. I doubt that you're capable since your MO is always to lob grenades from the weeds.
Like I said before jungle, try to keep up with the discussion. I am not criticizing UPS running their company, or advocating for IPA to run the company. I'm responding to a thread where a non-UPS pilot attempts to sugar coat how great it must be to work here because UPS is so profitable and the greatest company in America.
But mostly, I'm just responding to your garbage and usual nonsense that it was a good thing for UPS to furlough my friends (some with young families) in Alaska and elsewhere when we gave them a more profitable option.
06-04-2012, 07:30 PM
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I don't know why I even bother to respond to you since, like always, you only respond with rhetorical, riddles and no substance. All hat, no cattle.
You might want to check your numbers there slick.
How bout you respond with where I am wrong in my statement, instead of your usual rhetoric. I doubt that you're capable since your MO is always to lob grenades from the weeds.
Like I said before jungle, try to keep up with the discussion. I am not criticizing UPS running their company, or advocating for IPA to run the company. I'm responding to a thread where a non-UPS pilot attempts to sugar coat how great it must be to work here because UPS is so profitable and the greatest company in America.
But mostly, I'm just responding to your garbage and usual nonsense that it was a good thing for UPS to furlough my friends (some with young families) in Alaska and elsewhere when we gave them a more profitable option.
You might want to check your numbers there slick.
How bout you respond with where I am wrong in my statement, instead of your usual rhetoric. I doubt that you're capable since your MO is always to lob grenades from the weeds.
Like I said before jungle, try to keep up with the discussion. I am not criticizing UPS running their company, or advocating for IPA to run the company. I'm responding to a thread where a non-UPS pilot attempts to sugar coat how great it must be to work here because UPS is so profitable and the greatest company in America.
But mostly, I'm just responding to your garbage and usual nonsense that it was a good thing for UPS to furlough my friends (some with young families) in Alaska and elsewhere when we gave them a more profitable option.
History shows this is not sugar coating but fact, FEDEX and UPS have had long term success. Past performance does not always mean future gains, but that is the way to bet.
06-04-2012, 07:31 PM
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I don't know why I even bother to respond to you since, like always, you only respond with rhetorical, riddles and no substance. All hat, no cattle.
You might want to check your numbers there slick.
How bout you respond with where I am wrong in my statement, instead of your usual rhetoric. I doubt that you're capable since your MO is always to lob grenades from the weeds.
Like I said before jungle, try to keep up with the discussion. I am not criticizing UPS running their company, or advocating for IPA to run the company. I'm responding to a thread where a non-UPS pilot attempts to sugar coat how great it must be to work here because UPS is so profitable and the greatest company in America.
But mostly, I'm just responding to your garbage and usual nonsense that it was a good thing for UPS to furlough my friends (some with young families) in Alaska and elsewhere when we gave them a more profitable option.
You might want to check your numbers there slick.
How bout you respond with where I am wrong in my statement, instead of your usual rhetoric. I doubt that you're capable since your MO is always to lob grenades from the weeds.
Like I said before jungle, try to keep up with the discussion. I am not criticizing UPS running their company, or advocating for IPA to run the company. I'm responding to a thread where a non-UPS pilot attempts to sugar coat how great it must be to work here because UPS is so profitable and the greatest company in America.
But mostly, I'm just responding to your garbage and usual nonsense that it was a good thing for UPS to furlough my friends (some with young families) in Alaska and elsewhere when we gave them a more profitable option.
298 of 300 ANC FOs signing up for the same time off was unattainable. We were never close to $100 million in savings. It was a simple business decision. The only mistake was they waited too long to start it. While the open time ban saved some furloughs the delay in implementing it probably saved more. My God man, we had 150 DC-8 pilots sitting at home making $120k/yr and $240k/yr for FO and Capt respectively for over a year.
06-04-2012, 07:35 PM
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If you really think the voluntary time off option presented by the IPA was "a more profitable option" you are too emotional.
298 of 300 ANC FOs signing up for the same time off was unattainable. We were never close to $100 million in savings. It was a simple business decision. The only mistake was they waited too long to start it. While the open time ban saved some furloughs the delay in implementing it probably saved more. My God man, we had 150 DC-8 pilots sitting at home making $120k/yr and $240k/yr for FO and Capt respectively for over a year.
298 of 300 ANC FOs signing up for the same time off was unattainable. We were never close to $100 million in savings. It was a simple business decision. The only mistake was they waited too long to start it. While the open time ban saved some furloughs the delay in implementing it probably saved more. My God man, we had 150 DC-8 pilots sitting at home making $120k/yr and $240k/yr for FO and Capt respectively for over a year.
On the whole I think UPS pilots have been very fortunate. Those who have friends at the PAX majors may want to chime in, they have tales that will water your eyes.
06-05-2012, 04:35 AM
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06-05-2012, 05:00 AM
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from the IPA flight times dated 2/08/2010
"The membership stepped up and voluntarily provided cost savings of $136 million"
This quote from the IPA President would seem to counter your statement. Do you have a reference for you less then $100 million number?
From the Atlanta Business News 2/08/2010
"Thrush said. He said the company increased its target for cost savings to $244 million from $131 million. "We said, ‘Whoa, wait a minute, we can get to the cost savings that you wanted, but now you want more and longer?' " according to Thrush. He said the company also wants contract concessions.
IMO in this game of negotiations UPS tried to make a large land grab. UPS said "at least 300 pilots to 2015" to be furloughed and when the IPA got very close to the first round of requested payroll reductions they thought there was a possibility for more hence the increase from $131 from $244 million.
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