MD11HOG

You're allowed to think for yourself and post your opinion that guys should be convicted on your smell test. But it's your uninformed opionion and your arbitrary and ignorant smell test. Here's a couple of example's for your smell test: What was president elect George Bush 1 (who lived in a beutiful house in Maine) tax residence? answer - a hotel room in Houston.
2. Ex- Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee residence is in a newly purchased home in Florida, he works in New York making very good money for FOX TV, and his wife is an Arkansas resident. (Arkansas Law allows husband and wife to have seperate residents)

Residency requirements are diverse and complicated. Complicated enough so each side can make an argument. It's a shame it had to get to this point with no mutually acceptable settlement. I'm glad these guys have someone to help defend them and will get their first chance to voice their side.

CloudSailor

I'm not an expert on these matters... but isn't the true issue relocation, not residency? And to be more precise, isn't the issue about the relocation of one's family? Like MD11HOG stated above, residency is broad and complicated. However, it is hard to defend "relocation" when reading the link on the PFC homepage. I'm not saying I know the full story, just that with what was presented by JB, they don't seem to have a chance to fight this legally (as far as relocation goes). As JB stated, they have still been offered one more settlement to reinstate their employment, hopefully it is in everyone's best interest for them to take it.

I hate to say this, but I, like someone else posted here earlier, have heard from two of our union guys that these stories are unfortunately pretty accurate... not making this up, just the messenger.

flextodaline

What this all boils down to is, our union representation needs to hire more and better labor relations attorneys, and stop trying to be "know it alls" in areas where pilots are not experts. Time to put egos aside and get some horsepower behind us.....just sayin'

iarapilot

When a traffic ticket is given the specific law that was broken is referenced. When a grievance is filed, a specific section in the contract is referenced.

I am still waiting for the specific reference from the Company as to what section of the contract was not followed by the fired pilot! They do a lot of accusing saying that the pilots were fraudulent or were stealing. Sounds all good and concrete doesnt it? Well, specifically what were they stealing? HA money? The contract states the requirements to receive the HA. So which requirement/section of the contract wasnt met? You would think that the Company would reference the contract paragraph which was not followed. But they dont.

JBs email is not straight forward. If it was it would address the things I mention. To me, his email is carefully crafted, by lawyers I would assume, to sway the opinion of the crew force. What you do with his info is up to you. But this aint some dysfunctional reality show where the best "presentation" will win. This is a very serious matter where the livelihood of at least four pilots are concerned.

As far as the Unions involvement....from day one of the LOA they have not been proactive at all. They have had the Company leading them the whole time. The FDA LOA was a disaster from the beginning and that fact is presenting itself right now.

FDXLAG

I read JB appendix fairly quickly but I missed the part where he expanded on where management "didnt act optimally" can one of you jurors point it out to me.

CloudSailor

You can find it on PFC news, under the HKG Appeals link, in bold, before the bulleted points.

FDXLAG

I know I have quoted that part, I want the appendix where it says:

Management Pilot One told pilot three that blah blah blah.

I guess in your rush to judgment you are missing the point that what you read on the PFC website is what FEDEX wants you to read. Pretend JB is a Florida Special Prosecutor. How much exculpatory evidence would you expect him to include in his indictment of that racist murderer stalker of innocent children?

Again the important part is the only way that our pilots wont be subject to arbitrary and unwritten company policy changes in the FDAs is if the company loses either the arbitration or the court cases. That is what I am hoping for. We have a poorly written agreement, it is our fault. It will not get better if FDX management has it way.

Full pull

It's interesting the company is appealing directly to us, same as they do when contract talks start heating up.

iarapilot

Interesting I suppose. But not out of the ordinary.

Busboy

Can a court or an arbiter change the contents of a RLA labor agreement?

Let's say after ALL the evidence is heard, we(pilots) win, in some manner. Would the LOA have to be renegotiated? Could the language be changed or definitions be inserted by the courts?