FDXLAG

So how do you feel about turning down a jumpseater with 4 crew and 1 JS?

TonyC

The day before I was working, you know, operating a flight, moving the freight, generating revenue.

The day after is 24 hours away from my family... just one little league game, just one music recital, just one band concert, just one birthday party.

I love hangin' out in HKG on my own dime so much, maybe I should stay two days.

Yeah, the two fridges get so crowded. Would I be more welcome if I ordered no catering?







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TallFlyer

Dude,

Go back to playing xBox live.

Adlerdriver

Wahhh. Definitely not helping your argument much.

So, since multiple jumpseaters long haul is not common, how about YOU suck it up and deal with it on the odd day you lose the jumpseat lottery.

"Pick an alternate day"???? Really? Yeah, hang out in HKG on your first day off rather than start trekking for the USA. We're too cramped to get you home - we're having PTSD flashbacks to carrier life. Where do we find you guys?

I had 2 jumpseaters from ICN-ANC with a 3-man crew. We were tripping all over each other and it sucked. I had a jumpseater from ANC-HKG with 3 guys plus an LCA (hard bulkhead-horse charter aircraft). That was worse. Denying the jumpseater(s) wasn't ever an option. Those situation are rare, so we did the right thing and got our own pilots where they needed to go.

FR8Hauler

You guys are absolutely the best! Obviously we have some of our own "brothers" that could learn a few lessons from your Captains. I have ridden with you several times and it is embarrassing that we can't reciprocate internationally. I don't understand how it can be ok for you and not for us. Thank you so much. MS. S M your jumpseat lady is awesome as well. Seems like really good things are happening there. Thanks again from a Hong Kong based FedEx guy.

The Walrus

If anyone is at the AOC and would like to talk to said Capt, he just landed.

fanaticalflyer

That's all great until the Captain with his 'authority" decides that a 5 hours transcon flight at night, will be too crowded with two guys in the jump seat. Give me a break. Don't justify someone's actions when it's selfish in nature. It's about the team. Suck it up. One day, someone might repay him the favor. Since he is going about being an a-hole, then he needs to be talked to by the jumpseat committee to make him understand that what he's doing is technically correct, but it's not, in so many other ways.

fanaticalflyer

Maybe you should go talk to the UAL pilot group and see a SCAB book firsthand. It's been around for over 2 decades. It's a pretty little yellow book and there is a SCAB mantra on the first page. So for a 26 year ALPA member, you have been in the dark for way too long. This is not about being civil. I'm pointing out improper behavior and a Captain utilizing his authority in the wrong way.

As for Captain's Authority, I fully support it. BUT you have to make sure it is being utilized appropriately. I guess i could tell every jump seater, "NO", go tomorrow, because of whatever reason I can make up. If it's not a safety issue or a legitimate reason, and not because it's going to be an inconvenience, then the Captain needs to suck it up and help the person out. Wonder what type of Captain you have been. (Don't tell me how great you are too, since your defense of this character, says a lot) Once a member decides to not be a team player on one issue, then it breaks down the system in two ways. One is for how others then reciprocate and the last one is the most important: that 'weak frame of mind' allows you to justify other non team activities like junior manning and so forth. You probably could justify that too, huh?!!

It amazes me how easily people can defend a person's selfish acts. It's not only unprofessional what this Captain does because if makes all of us look bad, especially to offline pilots, but it's flat out wrong.

av8rmike

There's the "legal" answer which a few have hidden behind that it's the Captain's decision and that we fought to get that. You're correct. That same argument was made prior to the last Contract by all the freeloaders exercising their rights to not pay dues. It was their right to decide not to pay dues just as it was this Captain's right to deny this jumpseater.

What would make this denial palatable to us unwashed masses? Scab, non-member or dude who denies jumpseaters I think would pretty much be universally unwelcome as jumpseaters themselves. Not personally liking someone was listed previously as a reason. Really? Grow up and deal with it. Feeling crowded? You have the choice of any seat up front or a rack.

For all you punctuation-police, brainy types: Malum in se.

CloudSailor

One captain (who apparently has done this before) denying the jumpseat to a fellow company pilot for what seems to be an issue with space: concerning.

Multiple pilots posting here from our own airline defending said captain turning down one of our own guys trying to make it home from the other side of the world under the "captain's discretion", and "alternate day travel" arguments: even more concerning.

Wow.