Gunter

For those hoping for eventual release to self help you really don't know what some think it means.

They would help themselves to as much draft and vacation buyback as possible. And please, don't crowd them on those long legs.....

TonyC

Well, excu-u-u-u-u-use ME!


I don't know if there's something to this, or just an interesting coincidence, but ...

I jumpseat on this flight quite a bit, and I've almost always received a warm "Welcome Aboard!". I've been welcomed when there was IOE and LCA training in progress, when there were line checks going on ... and when there were three of the four seats in the back filled. Only once did I receive a "I've already approved one jumpseater, so I'd appreciate it if you'd explore other options." He didn't deny the jumpseat, but I did indeed explore other options because I didn't care to be "unwelcome" in a metal tube for 14 hours. It was this same guy.

Now, I wish the guy didn't have that attitude, and I'm in favor of anything which can be done to change it in a positive way, but I am absolutely in support of his authority to deny any jumpseater at any time for any or no reason. We fought hard to defend that authority, and I would oppose any action to compromise that authority.

I'm not sure that anything positive can come of raking him over the coals here ...






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repoman

What if this capt said no to every pilot jumpseating every flight....would that be ok? After all he is the PIC..........

FDXLAG

I dont know how many details do we need. I dont have an opinion one way or the other. Never planning on making a 14 hour jumpseat, would be nice if I needed it though.

I dont have a problem with the original post, I am a big enough boy to know there may be more to the story. Rumors are this is not an isolated incident but by all means lets (apostraphe ignored on purpose) not talk about it.

4A2B

Well said.......

Adlerdriver

Most of the posts in this thread don't seem to be suggesting taking action to compromise Captain's authority. I also support his authority to say "no". I would oppose any "official" sanction against this captain for that very reason (to include Pro-standards).

So, "raking him over the coals" here may be one of our ONLY options. Perhaps he'll read this and consider a different viewpoint. Perhaps one of his peers will pass on what is posted here or maybe just give him a friendly "get a grip".

If he chooses to stop hosing his fellow pilots, that's still on his authority. The fact that a possible change of heart was the result of public exposure or peer pressure isn't relevant.

FDXLAG

Well said.

Unknown Rider

Concur. No one is arguing against Captain's Authority. However, Captain's Authority doesn't stop someone for being held accountable for their action when on the ground.
The Captain get's to make the decision, he also has to live with it.

Laughing_Jakal

Yes, that would be perfectly acceptable and within his rights. I'm sure that he'll understand the identical rationale used by other pilots when he is denied the jumpseat on every flight someone else decides the cockpit is too full.

I'm sure he'd be fine with it. I don't see a problem here.

FDXLAG

How are the other guys going to find out who should be denied a jumpseat and who shouldnt? Perhaps 4A2b will act as the clearing house for who is cool and who is not since he doesnt want to discuss it here.