Another denied 777 Jumpseat
07-01-2013, 02:13 PM
#112
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07-01-2013, 02:31 PM
#113
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07-01-2013, 03:00 PM
#114
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07-01-2013, 03:53 PM
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07-01-2013, 04:50 PM
#118
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"GOC Jumpseaters"
The only GOC employees allowed on the flight deck under 14 CFR § 121.547 are aircraft dispatchers observing operations as part of "Operating familiarization" per § 121.463(a)(2) (initial qualification) or (c)(recurrent qualification) -- they require 5 hours of observation initially, and 5 hours annually. It seems very odd to me that 2 aircraft dispatchers needed to fly halfway around the world to catch this 15 hour flight to get their annual 5 hours of observation.
A "new" category for dispatchers has been fabricated by The Company and published in Rev 51 of our FOM: "G/O (Global Observation) experience". This appears to be the "off-duty" equivalent of aircraft mechanics that we've discussed elsewhere on this forum. It's not in the FARs, and it's not in FSIMS. But the new FOM doesn't take effect for another 4 days.
And yet it obviously put the Captain in the position where he probably feared discipline if he chose to allow the pilot to ride on the flight deck and deny access to the GOC jumpseaters.
A BIG problem for us is that the dispatchers and mechanics can reserve the cockpit jumpseats withOUT Captain's permission, but the pilots cannot. The Captain should have never been put in that position in the first place.
I wonder if the aircraft dispatchers sat in the cockpit for the entire 15 hours, or if they took naps along the way. I would venture a guess that they never entered the cockpit.
Captains need to be Captains.
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The only GOC employees allowed on the flight deck under 14 CFR § 121.547 are aircraft dispatchers observing operations as part of "Operating familiarization" per § 121.463(a)(2) (initial qualification) or (c)(recurrent qualification) -- they require 5 hours of observation initially, and 5 hours annually. It seems very odd to me that 2 aircraft dispatchers needed to fly halfway around the world to catch this 15 hour flight to get their annual 5 hours of observation.
A "new" category for dispatchers has been fabricated by The Company and published in Rev 51 of our FOM: "G/O (Global Observation) experience". This appears to be the "off-duty" equivalent of aircraft mechanics that we've discussed elsewhere on this forum. It's not in the FARs, and it's not in FSIMS. But the new FOM doesn't take effect for another 4 days.
And yet it obviously put the Captain in the position where he probably feared discipline if he chose to allow the pilot to ride on the flight deck and deny access to the GOC jumpseaters.
A BIG problem for us is that the dispatchers and mechanics can reserve the cockpit jumpseats withOUT Captain's permission, but the pilots cannot. The Captain should have never been put in that position in the first place.
I wonder if the aircraft dispatchers sat in the cockpit for the entire 15 hours, or if they took naps along the way. I would venture a guess that they never entered the cockpit.
Captains need to be Captains.
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07-01-2013, 06:40 PM
#120
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"GOC Jumpseaters"
The only GOC employees allowed on the flight deck under 14 CFR § 121.547 are aircraft dispatchers observing operations as part of "Operating familiarization" per § 121.463(a)(2) (initial qualification) or (c)(recurrent qualification) -- they require 5 hours of observation initially, and 5 hours annually. It seems very odd to me that 2 aircraft dispatchers needed to fly halfway around the world to catch this 15 hour flight to get their annual 5 hours of observation.
A "new" category for dispatchers has been fabricated by The Company and published in Rev 51 of our FOM: "G/O (Global Observation) experience". This appears to be the "off-duty" equivalent of aircraft mechanics that we've discussed elsewhere on this forum. It's not in the FARs, and it's not in FSIMS. But the new FOM doesn't take effect for another 4 days.
And yet it obviously put the Captain in the position where he probably feared discipline if he chose to allow the pilot to ride on the flight deck and deny access to the GOC jumpseaters.
A BIG problem for us is that the dispatchers and mechanics can reserve the cockpit jumpseats withOUT Captain's permission, but the pilots cannot. The Captain should have never been put in that position in the first place.
I wonder if the aircraft dispatchers sat in the cockpit for the entire 15 hours, or if they took naps along the way. I would venture a guess that they never entered the cockpit.
Captains need to be Captains.
.
The only GOC employees allowed on the flight deck under 14 CFR § 121.547 are aircraft dispatchers observing operations as part of "Operating familiarization" per § 121.463(a)(2) (initial qualification) or (c)(recurrent qualification) -- they require 5 hours of observation initially, and 5 hours annually. It seems very odd to me that 2 aircraft dispatchers needed to fly halfway around the world to catch this 15 hour flight to get their annual 5 hours of observation.
A "new" category for dispatchers has been fabricated by The Company and published in Rev 51 of our FOM: "G/O (Global Observation) experience". This appears to be the "off-duty" equivalent of aircraft mechanics that we've discussed elsewhere on this forum. It's not in the FARs, and it's not in FSIMS. But the new FOM doesn't take effect for another 4 days.
And yet it obviously put the Captain in the position where he probably feared discipline if he chose to allow the pilot to ride on the flight deck and deny access to the GOC jumpseaters.
A BIG problem for us is that the dispatchers and mechanics can reserve the cockpit jumpseats withOUT Captain's permission, but the pilots cannot. The Captain should have never been put in that position in the first place.
I wonder if the aircraft dispatchers sat in the cockpit for the entire 15 hours, or if they took naps along the way. I would venture a guess that they never entered the cockpit.
Captains need to be Captains.
.
Look Tony I get it but heres the deal No one I mean NO ONE is booking and I mean non pilot types are booking jumpseats ahead of pilots contrary to what you believe. If you don't want to let GOC or MX ride outside of work fine thats your choice. But there is no one riding ahead of pilots NO ONE!
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