FAA to reconsider rest exclusion for cargo fl
05-19-2012, 11:58 AM
#32
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05-19-2012, 12:51 PM
#33
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FPA Origin
4a2b originated in the FPA contract of 1999. We all thought it was a good idea. Prevent a furlough by spreading the pain among the ranks. We also thought the likelihood of it ever being triggered was remote.
Still, I'd rather have it than what happened to the all powerful IPA guys. Several of whom now work here.
Still, I'd rather have it than what happened to the all powerful IPA guys. Several of whom now work here.
05-19-2012, 02:02 PM
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4a2b originated in the FPA contract of 1999. We all thought it was a good idea. Prevent a furlough by spreading the pain among the ranks. We also thought the likelihood of it ever being triggered was remote.
Still, I'd rather have it than what happened to the all powerful IPA guys. Several of whom now work here.
Still, I'd rather have it than what happened to the all powerful IPA guys. Several of whom now work here.
05-19-2012, 08:38 PM
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ALPA didn't join the suit because they don't want the new rule thrown out - they want to be included in it. That's what they're lobbying for. We'll see who is successful.
Not as satisfying on a monkey-flinging-poo level, I know. But it's the smart way to go.
And you can't just look at hourly rates - you have to look at BLGs and the overrides for international flying. But y'all knew that, didn't you. There's not a pilot alive that made more money than our senior 777 captains last year.
ALPA sucks? I could go into what all happened after each airline had a hull loss, the investigative support, the family awareness response. But I'll just let you guys laugh and scratch....
Not as satisfying on a monkey-flinging-poo level, I know. But it's the smart way to go.
And you can't just look at hourly rates - you have to look at BLGs and the overrides for international flying. But y'all knew that, didn't you. There's not a pilot alive that made more money than our senior 777 captains last year.
ALPA sucks? I could go into what all happened after each airline had a hull loss, the investigative support, the family awareness response. But I'll just let you guys laugh and scratch....
Wanna bet? Before our open time ban, which 99% of our pilots have honored btw, nobody came close to us, even the 777 *****s at FDX. You guys are treated better, get better catering, but are lulled into complacency and don't keep your eyes on the prize, which is pay and benefits. We may ***** about UPS, but our time off and pay is second to none, including FedEx.
05-19-2012, 08:41 PM
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4a2b originated in the FPA contract of 1999. We all thought it was a good idea. Prevent a furlough by spreading the pain among the ranks. We also thought the likelihood of it ever being triggered was remote.
Still, I'd rather have it than what happened to the all powerful IPA guys. Several of whom now work here.
Still, I'd rather have it than what happened to the all powerful IPA guys. Several of whom now work here.
05-19-2012, 10:52 PM
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If your working conditions are so great over there, why is it such a lousy place to work?
05-19-2012, 10:53 PM
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While we have a long way to go, I wouldn't trade contracts with UPS. I've got many friends at UPS and every one of them hates it. Pretty strong statement.
If your working conditions are so great over there, why is it such a lousy place to work?
05-20-2012, 02:03 AM
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Different companies, different issues on a lot of fronts, same issues on others. It would be nice to see more communication between us during negotiation times so that we do not inadvertently undercut one another, hopefully we can develop some more of that.
Here's to both groups - let's just concentrate on raising the bar for everybody.
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