MoonF18

I am not saying that what he did was right, so i am not "justifying" the action. And I am with you Iara 100% about leading by example, but there are also other components to leadership. One of them is supporting our own, and if we want to call someone out on the carpet for their actions, we start by doing it face to face or through direct contact, not anonymously through this kind of public forum. That action does nothing to solve the problem, and everything to make the situation worse.

MeXC

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flextodaline

+1.............

iarapilot

F an A on all that!!!!!!!!!!!!

iarapilot

Well, I suppose you do have a point. But leading by example is first regardless of other components of leadership.. But if the majority of the HK guys are happy with his action, so be it.

skeebo2

No union leader should be a calendar blocker. They should have nothing to hide. This is true X10 for management, flex, check airmen etc.

You get a position of authority it comes with responsibility (honesty).

2dogs

shack!!!!!!!!

FR8Hauler

Greg, So call him out if you want. JB is trying to do the right thing out here. Maybe made an inadvertent bad call but give the man a chance. Caution: He may smack you in the mouth.

asiabased

I stand firmly behind my LEC Rep.

This is an extremely unfortunate situation we are dealing with and I feel the company has way overstepped their bounds. I hear many pilots are bidding out and I anticipate "bad will" for months or years to come.

However, the company has us right where they want us. No draft? No volunteer? No vacation buy back? No trip trading for additional time? Protect min days off? No problem! What does that cost them? 1 crew per day at the most?

First of all, with a significant number of pilots bidding out, the passover issue will go away (I am very sure they have taken that into account). Second, if they are short pilots then they turn up the sodomizer. There is a simple solution for the company to instantly grow a couple of crews per day. They can and will impose domestic rules on the HKG base. They have been talking about that for quite some time but fortunately haven't done that as of yet. With domestic rules in place they simply lay the ICN and PVG crews over at the airport and eliminate the 30+ hour layover. If they turn the layover versus an extended layover then they instantly free up two crews per day. Problem solved as far as the company is concerned.

Ok. Well, then no one will bid the HKG base... Who cares?! There are plenty of pilots out there who would gladly fly the left or right seat as a new hire (and would do a fine job BTW). As someone said in a different thread (I think), "Never underestimate your insignificance.." This is not struck work.

So maybe they fly some MEM crews over here for a while to get them over the hump until they re-work our schedule. Or maybe they decide that we win and the company loses. If nothing else, 4 people are still unemployed and we still lose two 30 hour layovers per day.

Guys, our best bet is to beat them in the court and get our fellow pilots their jobs back. The Company doesn't give a rats ass about us or the fact that we aren't flying anything extra. It just plays right into what they want. If nothing else, they solve their passover pay problem. If you look at the vacancies on the bid then you will figure it out. The only wide body Captain opportunities to speak of are in HKG. Looks like the passover pay dudes are screwed and I am sure there are a significant number of suits in MEM with a smile on their face.

Unless anything changes significantly, I will stand firmly behind my LEC Rep. He has one of the cooler heads. This is not the time for the HKG base to draw lines in the sand to destroy unity and alienate fellow members.

But then again, this could be completely off base and wrong.

And no...I am not the HKG LEC rep or Jack Lewis (per my suits comment, sorry Jack).......

Alaskan

Thanks, Adler (I'm a Rex Sox fan myself . . .)

We don’t know whether BM intentionally lied or was lied to by Labor Relations, and I don’t really care. In either case it is a failure of leadership and, yes, unacceptable conduct by the System Chief Pilot of a Fortune 500 company.
IMHO the only reason the company is still negotiating with the terminated pilots is that a civil rights lawsuit is breathing down its neck. (This would also explain why the latest offers have been verbal – FDX’s new hired guns may have advised the company to avoid digging itself deeper into the marital discrimination hole it’s in.) That, and the fact that based on precedent, arbitration is likely to overturn these severe penalties. The only way they could be upheld is if the company is able to prove that the pilots intentionally deceived FDX. Even then, it would bear some responsibility for failing to mitigate damages for months-years, instructing the pilots to renew their 12-month apartment leases and continuing to pay them the HA.
Think about it: if the company knows for a fact that these four HKG pilots, and only these four pilots, lied, why would it continue to offer settlements involving reinstatement? Why would all the settlements include gag orders, requiring the pilots to drop their civil rights complaints?
The company has until COB today, Alaska time, to turn over the evidence the ASCHR has demanded, including records of its HKG investigations. My guess is that they’ll ask for a last minute extension, perhaps claiming that a dog ate the transcript or that the Commission should have reminded them more often about the deadline. But sooner or later, we’ll know who’s behind this, and just how many FDX managers have tried to keep the lies and deceptions under wraps.