Focus Air Cargo
11-18-2006, 09:30 AM
#53
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: B777 FO
Posts: 29
I don't post much on these boards, but felt the need to thank cac737 for voicing what many of us feel. In regards to the differences between Regionals and Cargo, I recently came to Evergreen after working as a Captain at a large regional. Although I haven't been here long, I will tell you that you can tell the difference from the first day of training (better hotel, rental car, better training philosophy, etc). There is also no way to compare flying one leg every 3 days with a long layover in a great hotel, to flying 8 leg days with reduced rest at a commuter. Although I'm new here, I did work a two week on / two week off schedule in Alaska for years, and found that for me that was MUCH better than the 3 days at home (sometimes 2) at a commuter. Finally, all of us aren't going to Fedex or UPS, and for me this a fine place to be.
11-18-2006, 11:11 AM
#54
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: B747
Posts: 120
the real culprits........
Hey guys,
I also don't do much posting on these boards, but also felt compelled to share some "thoughts". I can't totally blame monkeyboy though, because he just doesn't know any better. He still has the image of that smiling 19 year old with full uniform and hat sitting in the left seat of a major airliner with the caption: $19,500 ab initio fast track program to the left seat, guaranteed interview or whatever they are marketing nowadays still burning in his mind, and for the lack of a proper education that is all he has to go by......so it totally isn't all his fault. Which brings me to the beef I have with these Gawd damn colleges that still peddle their ****e WITHOUT some dose of reality.
They have a financial back alley agreement with the mesa's or other highly visible carrier and don't fully explain to them all aspects of aviation.
Ah well, I can go on and on but we all know the deal here, but speaking of focus, I just shake my head at some of what I hear about how they do things from a guy I know that works there. Same ol promises of a start up only to %$# their crews while they try to grow.
Oh well, still beats home depot or a cubicle 9-5 contemplating when you will take the stapler and "set the building on fire".......
I also don't do much posting on these boards, but also felt compelled to share some "thoughts". I can't totally blame monkeyboy though, because he just doesn't know any better. He still has the image of that smiling 19 year old with full uniform and hat sitting in the left seat of a major airliner with the caption: $19,500 ab initio fast track program to the left seat, guaranteed interview or whatever they are marketing nowadays still burning in his mind, and for the lack of a proper education that is all he has to go by......so it totally isn't all his fault. Which brings me to the beef I have with these Gawd damn colleges that still peddle their ****e WITHOUT some dose of reality.
They have a financial back alley agreement with the mesa's or other highly visible carrier and don't fully explain to them all aspects of aviation.
Ah well, I can go on and on but we all know the deal here, but speaking of focus, I just shake my head at some of what I hear about how they do things from a guy I know that works there. Same ol promises of a start up only to %$# their crews while they try to grow.
Oh well, still beats home depot or a cubicle 9-5 contemplating when you will take the stapler and "set the building on fire".......
11-18-2006, 10:04 PM
#56
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Posts: 86
Not all UND grads have SJS. I have ugly square turboprop syndrome. RJ () Shorts []
I graduated from UND, did my time flight instructing and went straight to frieght. I am a turboprop FO right now, I make more than some regional FOs, I like my job most of the time and fairly quick upgrades are possible. Its a long way off but I look forward to flying something heavy across the ocean. Do any companies flying 747s, DC10s or MD11s hire people without turbojet time?
Pilots at my company talk about good times had when they were stuck in exotic locales like Detroit, Louisville, Huntsville or Dallas. When I jumpseated on Polar to Tokyo their pilots talk about good times had all over the world. They also get catering. I only get catering when the FBO guy hooks us up with the extras a corperate jet didn't take. Catering and no autopilot is fun.
I graduated from UND, did my time flight instructing and went straight to frieght. I am a turboprop FO right now, I make more than some regional FOs, I like my job most of the time and fairly quick upgrades are possible. Its a long way off but I look forward to flying something heavy across the ocean. Do any companies flying 747s, DC10s or MD11s hire people without turbojet time?
Pilots at my company talk about good times had when they were stuck in exotic locales like Detroit, Louisville, Huntsville or Dallas. When I jumpseated on Polar to Tokyo their pilots talk about good times had all over the world. They also get catering. I only get catering when the FBO guy hooks us up with the extras a corperate jet didn't take. Catering and no autopilot is fun.
11-20-2006, 01:07 PM
#57
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: Xx
Posts: 107
We have hired F27 captains into the 11.
11-21-2006, 09:45 AM
#59
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Red Tail CRJ CA
Posts: 262
Hey guys,
I also don't do much posting on these boards, but also felt compelled to share some "thoughts". I can't totally blame monkeyboy though, because he just doesn't know any better. He still has the image of that smiling 19 year old with full uniform and hat sitting in the left seat of a major airliner with the caption: $19,500 ab initio fast track program to the left seat, guaranteed interview or whatever they are marketing nowadays still burning in his mind, and for the lack of a proper education that is all he has to go by......so it totally isn't all his fault. Which brings me to the beef I have with these Gawd damn colleges that still peddle their ****e WITHOUT some dose of reality.
They have a financial back alley agreement with the mesa's or other highly visible carrier and don't fully explain to them all aspects of aviation.
Ah well, I can go on and on but we all know the deal here, but speaking of focus, I just shake my head at some of what I hear about how they do things from a guy I know that works there. Same ol promises of a start up only to %$# their crews while they try to grow.
Oh well, still beats home depot or a cubicle 9-5 contemplating when you will take the stapler and "set the building on fire".......
I also don't do much posting on these boards, but also felt compelled to share some "thoughts". I can't totally blame monkeyboy though, because he just doesn't know any better. He still has the image of that smiling 19 year old with full uniform and hat sitting in the left seat of a major airliner with the caption: $19,500 ab initio fast track program to the left seat, guaranteed interview or whatever they are marketing nowadays still burning in his mind, and for the lack of a proper education that is all he has to go by......so it totally isn't all his fault. Which brings me to the beef I have with these Gawd damn colleges that still peddle their ****e WITHOUT some dose of reality.
They have a financial back alley agreement with the mesa's or other highly visible carrier and don't fully explain to them all aspects of aviation.
Ah well, I can go on and on but we all know the deal here, but speaking of focus, I just shake my head at some of what I hear about how they do things from a guy I know that works there. Same ol promises of a start up only to %$# their crews while they try to grow.
Oh well, still beats home depot or a cubicle 9-5 contemplating when you will take the stapler and "set the building on fire".......
Wow I didn't even realize that this thread was still going..... Damn CAC 737 you made a hell of a lot of assumptions about me and my back ground MOST OF WHICH ARE WRONG!!!! First of all as for me being a GOD DAMN ACADEMY PUKE. No Im not.... I CFI'd flew, 135 and put up with a ton of Bull $hit to get here just like everybody else... and in fact I never knew these academy pukes existed until my first day of ground school and when I found out about the concept I was PI$$ED and it pi$$es me off that I have seen CFI's and 135 guys who 2 to 3 times the number of hours as these academy pukes plus college degrees yet their resumes dont even get a second glance by regional HR dept's and usually wind up in the circular file. Meanwhile little 19 year old $hit head who bearly got a GED and has 250 hours gets hired. Yes I am on the younger side hell I was 22 almost 23 when I started flying 121 but no I am not an academy puke and although I didn't have an ATP when I was hired I did go and get it once I turned 23.... As for my education yes I do have a Bachelors degree and am currently about a third of the way through my Masters and No my degrees are not in Aviation. As for thinking that flying RJ's is a real job and thinking the CRJ is great. No that is not the case either. This place I am at is strictly a steping stone till I can get to the next place.... Yes I know people do not like regional guys but please tell me where the FUK else I can get the jet time I need to move on... My simple point in all this was the payscale at FOCUS AIR SUCKS and I don't think it right that people are flying an airplane that almost 17 times the size of a CRJ 200 for not that much more pay and btw to my understanding Focus Air has its own academy type deal with ERAU. Doesnt it? So what's that? Just more SJS as far as I can tell. No time just out of Riddle pilots flying 747's for no pay. That's just brilliant. Finally as for me being "whats wrong with this industy" I hardly think that's the case since I'm just a young guy who's trying to work hard and make his way up in the world. No I am not happy with what I get paid but there again I am trying to get my time pay my dues and move up that is all.
Last edited by Space Monkey; 11-21-2006 at 10:13 AM.
11-21-2006, 12:10 PM
#60
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: B-747-400 FO
Posts: 354
Wow, 22 almost 23, that must have been a ton of bulls#$t in those six months between flight school and when you made it into the big time at a 121 outfit. Looks to me like the payscales at Focus aren't much different than what I was making at my previous legacy dream airline as an 8 year FO. Good luck trying to land one of the three jobs that even remotely resemble what we thought we were getting into when we started flying.
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