Focus Air Cargo
10-24-2006, 11:02 AM
#21
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Now on the IATA Death Star
Posts: 34
WTF???? The friggin company isn't but a year old. There have been some really good changes in management recently. Corporate culture is hard to change period let alone overnight. Honestly if I sense it's not going to improve I WILL bail out. But I got on when it was still less than a year old. There have already been some improvements. There is still a long ways to go and I am doing more than my aprt to make it work. I don't accept coach due to last minute planning, etc. I make them adhere to the rules they set and thats the best I can hope to do for now. I am just sick of all you guys on the sidelines (meaning you don't work here, also knowing someone who does doesn't qualify you to judge it here either) "Raise the bar" give some of us a break. We are trying to do just that. If I quit and went to some other job that would have you guys blessing then that is one less guy fighting the good fight here. I am here trying to make this a good place to work and hope it does get to where I think it can with the right pilots and management. So all you sitting on the sidelines looking down your nose at me and the others can come here when this becomes a descent company to work at.
10-24-2006, 04:23 PM
#22
Old P-3 IFE
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: B744 FO
Posts: 290
WTF???? The friggin company isn't but a year old. There have been some really good changes in management recently. Corporate culture is hard to change period let alone overnight. Honestly if I sense it's not going to improve I WILL bail out. But I got on when it was still less than a year old. There have already been some improvements. There is still a long ways to go and I am doing more than my aprt to make it work. I don't accept coach due to last minute planning, etc. I make them adhere to the rules they set and thats the best I can hope to do for now. I am just sick of all you guys on the sidelines (meaning you don't work here, also knowing someone who does doesn't qualify you to judge it here either) "Raise the bar" give some of us a break. We are trying to do just that. If I quit and went to some other job that would have you guys blessing then that is one less guy fighting the good fight here. I am here trying to make this a good place to work and hope it does get to where I think it can with the right pilots and management. So all you sitting on the sidelines looking down your nose at me and the others can come here when this becomes a descent company to work at.
10-24-2006, 04:25 PM
#23
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: B747 CA
Posts: 86
Space Monkey,
Exactly who are these Senior RJ captains working for and how long did it take to get equivilant pay?
And please do not count per diem. Per diem is not pay, it is reimbursment for expenses while away from home.
Exactly who are these Senior RJ captains working for and how long did it take to get equivilant pay?
And please do not count per diem. Per diem is not pay, it is reimbursment for expenses while away from home.
10-30-2006, 03:37 PM
#24
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: B747 CA
Posts: 86
Spacemonkey,
Not having any luck finding any of those senior RJ captains that make more than 5 year Focus captains?
You made the statement, back it up with facts please.
As noted in my earilier post please do not include per diem.
Not having any luck finding any of those senior RJ captains that make more than 5 year Focus captains?
You made the statement, back it up with facts please.
As noted in my earilier post please do not include per diem.
10-31-2006, 10:15 AM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Red Tail CRJ CA
Posts: 262
Sorry to keep you waiting there 18Wheeler....(sounds like you were getting impatient) The Space Monkey has to go to work sometimes too you know..... and occasionally have a life outside of posting on a message board... As for not including per deim no prob... Since as you saw it actually made Focus look better, as you also saw my equations also showed a computed base before I added perdeim.... So 5 year CA pay Focus Air (no per deim) = $91,440... Let's look at some regionals (all calculations are based on guarantee so the numbers are probably lower than actual pay for a line RJ CA) ... 17 year CA CRJ 200 at Air Whiskey $92,700 top AW pay 20 year CA $101,700; CHQ 15 year E-175 CA $92,700 top CA pay 19 years - $102,600; Horizon 11 year CRJ7 CA $94,080, top pay 18 year CRJ7 CA $116,160; Mesa 17 year CJR 900 CA $91,884 top pay 20 year CRJ 900 CA $98,800; ASA top CRJ 7 CA pay 18 year $91,800; Comair 13 year CJR 7 CA pay $91,800, top CRJ 7 CA pay 18 years $106,200…. Anyway I tired of doing this now but you see my point plus all of my calculations that I just did are based of guarantees and you probably know as well as I do that unless you are on RSV it is very rare for a regional guy to fly just guarantee… So my numbers are on the low side and my point remains the same there is no reason for a guy flying a whale to top out lower than a guy flying a regional which is a fraction of the size…regardless of how many or few years it takes. The whole point of the McNary Watress Act of 1930 was bigger equip with more engines = more pay…
10-31-2006, 12:06 PM
#28
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 436
Are you really comparing a 19, 15,13 year payscale to that of a 5 year payscale? Please draw up some common sense. Really, to each his own, but if you going to compare payscales......please compare something that is truely comparable, like third year RJ pay vs. third year 747 pay. A third year RJ guy will never see what a third year 747 guy gets.
10-31-2006, 12:10 PM
#29
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Red Tail CRJ CA
Posts: 262
That's not the point the point is that the 747 pay scale should NOT top out at 5 years also that this is a bottom feeder payscale that is lowering the bar... esp. when compared to other 747 pay scales and finally that a 747 payscale should NEVER TOP OUT LOWER than an RJ pay scale does...
10-31-2006, 04:15 PM
#30
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 436
Again....please use some sense here.......I believe that you are smarter than you come off here on this forum. I don't believe that there is a guy on the property at Focus that has been there for more than three years, hence the reason for the 5 year pay scale. If, at some point, if in the next few years there are 6 or 7 year guys at Focus still on a five year payscale, then you can pop off with your rhetoric. By the way I believe your RJ replacing mainline flying is what started "lowering the bar" in regards to airline pay rates..........not the supplementals.
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