Pakagecheck

You're right. However, trends could be identified. And peer pressure might make a few think that their jobs aren't worth getting caught. And yes, I really think there are some, maybe schedulers, charter folks and crew members that are getting insider info. But your fixation on real time trip trading isn't relevant here. We all want it. If I had a bot program, I could turn it on and it works just fine with real time while I am flying to sydney. It doesn't eliminate any of the issues except us wasting time doing the RCA Dog at the trips that haven't been processed. Which has nothing to do with the same people getting the gucci charters all of the time. If we had real time trip trading, I believe more people would hit the 300 count stop because more people would keep refreshing open time.

golfandfly

Get a life!

HIFLYR

Would not the guys with the bot program be sticking to everyone else also. Really checking open time 300 times in a day????????

flextodaline

Appdude.

I'm in......

Pakagecheck

Bots, definitely stick it to the masses. The statement was for that one specific scenario. I don't hit 300 a lot, but if it is a day where a bunch of charters and they are frzn, then yes. Hitting refresh only takes a few seconds so you can get 15-20 in a minute. If people haven't noticed but a few seconds make the world of differences. Guys waste more time on this site than checking to better their schedule.

Golf, getting one of those trips every other month is by definition of "getting a life!". Have you seen them? 10 day trip done in 6 with only one or 2 operational legs..or better yet trips that get bumped by management? So the fact that I hit refresh once I'm back in the hotel watching CSI reruns and stumble on to something is worth it to me. I'll take the additional 2 months off last year and the diamond status on Delta is nice as a commuter. Glad some don't want to play. YMMV
And I am still in the minors compared to some of the guys!!!

2dogs

Yeah. Really. That's what happens when scheduling leaves a trip frozen for hours.

Barista

I still would like to know why lockout after 300 attempts. I do not believe this is in the contract. Moreover, what if they decide to do it after 5 attempts. Another reason for extremely specific language in a contract, but why digress.

FWIW I did recently get a "good deal," schedule is unblocked, and man was I lucky to get it.

However, this frozen trip thing does need to go. I suggest a side letter of agreement stating that after bid pack printing, "charter flights" must be published unfrozen at 1500 c.s.t. every day or not at all. (or pick another standard time that makes sense). And yes, I agree with App dude.

Gunter

You must be bot guys.

If you're getting locked out at 300 open time checks, you're pushing hard. What's to stop you from checking open time 10 times a minute without a limit? Then no one would stand a chance other than you constant checkers.

I've heard the story about someone getting a trip airborne for several years. Has it happened in the last year or 2?

Might as well tell the old story of PC hanging out at the scheduler's desk with his uniform on a hanger.

MD11Fr8Dog

No, it was hanging out in the AOC wearing his uniform on his days off. Seen it myself.

Barista

I am not a bot guy. Do you normally assume the worst of your fellow pilots?
Your accusation speaks volumes about your disposition, biases, and deductive reasoning flaws.