FedEx MEC on wrong Track
03-01-2012, 03:25 PM
#111
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Herk as I said before it would be much easier to call a lawyer; no way ALPA or FDX would change the CBA.
Here is the appropriate Tennessee statute:
§ 50-1-203. Exclusion from employment for payment of or failure to pay union dues.
It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association of any kind to exclude from employment any person by reason of such person's payment of or failure to pay dues, fees, assessments, or other charges to any labor union or employee organization of any kind. (Enacted 1947.)
Like I also said I am sure ALPA would pull out the big guns to fight you, but it could be fun.
Right to Work States: Tennessee | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation
Maybe I should tell the MEC rebels; they could have the whole contract thrown out and force us into section 6.
Here is the appropriate Tennessee statute:
§ 50-1-203. Exclusion from employment for payment of or failure to pay union dues.
It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association of any kind to exclude from employment any person by reason of such person's payment of or failure to pay dues, fees, assessments, or other charges to any labor union or employee organization of any kind. (Enacted 1947.)
Like I also said I am sure ALPA would pull out the big guns to fight you, but it could be fun.
Right to Work States: Tennessee | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation
Maybe I should tell the MEC rebels; they could have the whole contract thrown out and force us into section 6.
03-01-2012, 04:23 PM
#112
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: leaning to the left
Posts: 4,184
Herk as I said before it would be much easier to call a lawyer; no way ALPA or FDX would change the CBA.
Here is the appropriate Tennessee statute:
§ 50-1-203. Exclusion from employment for payment of or failure to pay union dues.
It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association of any kind to exclude from employment any person by reason of such person's payment of or failure to pay dues, fees, assessments, or other charges to any labor union or employee organization of any kind. (Enacted 1947.)
Like I also said I am sure ALPA would pull out the big guns to fight you, but it could be fun.
Right to Work States: Tennessee | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation
Maybe I should tell the MEC rebels; they could have the whole contract thrown out and force us into section 6.
Here is the appropriate Tennessee statute:
§ 50-1-203. Exclusion from employment for payment of or failure to pay union dues.
It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association of any kind to exclude from employment any person by reason of such person's payment of or failure to pay dues, fees, assessments, or other charges to any labor union or employee organization of any kind. (Enacted 1947.)
Like I also said I am sure ALPA would pull out the big guns to fight you, but it could be fun.
Right to Work States: Tennessee | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation
Maybe I should tell the MEC rebels; they could have the whole contract thrown out and force us into section 6.
03-01-2012, 07:45 PM
#114
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Gear Monkey
Posts: 3,199
As a professional airline pilot, I'd highly recommend that you read "Flying the Line Part II".
As a former military pilot, ensconced in a sheltered world, I naively believed in most so called egalitarian "republican ideals", that were the defacto "culture" in the military, existed as well in big business.
I was wrong. Mostly just ignorant of the management-labor/owner of capital vs owners of labor history in our good country. (because we never had to deal with it in the military). After you do some bonafide research of the factual history of our industry you may draw your own conclusions.
After sitting in the BK courtroom & watching the BK of UAL proceedings, I took an active interest in understanding this. I was apalled at the actions presented in the book, "Flying the Line II", and even did independent research to validate & verify. Reading further labor/management hsitory of our railroads (where do you think the railway labor act comes from??) you'll see the airlines management just copied what the railroads did to labor earlier in US history.
The only thing that has changed is that labor has not learned what is being foist upon them. Both groups tend to overreach, and at times each gets hurt. However, in the long run, the working man who is neither sufficiently educated, nor with the organizational, historical or financial clout is the one disadvantaged. That is the sole reason for the affiliation that you find troubling.
I'm quite sure, if you are intellectually honest, and put your past bias aside while you learn about our profession, you will understand. You might not like it, you'll find out some of our countries' leaders (gov & industry) took action that you might never think they would-but they did.
For me it took the event of a bankruptcy, and loss of a pension & ESOP stock to wake up and "smell the coffe" - to get smart on the real playing field we're on. Most guys here at FDX have not been thru such a traumatic experience, and as you've heard, comfort leads to complacency and expectation bias- thus no motivation to "learn" the new environment of just being labor for a big business. i.e we've had it relatively ok at FDX, so by & large there hasn't been an impetus for the average line guy to delve into the subject, so he lives with his learned experience (military- cuz that's what we knew).
As a former military pilot, ensconced in a sheltered world, I naively believed in most so called egalitarian "republican ideals", that were the defacto "culture" in the military, existed as well in big business.
I was wrong. Mostly just ignorant of the management-labor/owner of capital vs owners of labor history in our good country. (because we never had to deal with it in the military). After you do some bonafide research of the factual history of our industry you may draw your own conclusions.
After sitting in the BK courtroom & watching the BK of UAL proceedings, I took an active interest in understanding this. I was apalled at the actions presented in the book, "Flying the Line II", and even did independent research to validate & verify. Reading further labor/management hsitory of our railroads (where do you think the railway labor act comes from??) you'll see the airlines management just copied what the railroads did to labor earlier in US history.
The only thing that has changed is that labor has not learned what is being foist upon them. Both groups tend to overreach, and at times each gets hurt. However, in the long run, the working man who is neither sufficiently educated, nor with the organizational, historical or financial clout is the one disadvantaged. That is the sole reason for the affiliation that you find troubling.
I'm quite sure, if you are intellectually honest, and put your past bias aside while you learn about our profession, you will understand. You might not like it, you'll find out some of our countries' leaders (gov & industry) took action that you might never think they would-but they did.
For me it took the event of a bankruptcy, and loss of a pension & ESOP stock to wake up and "smell the coffe" - to get smart on the real playing field we're on. Most guys here at FDX have not been thru such a traumatic experience, and as you've heard, comfort leads to complacency and expectation bias- thus no motivation to "learn" the new environment of just being labor for a big business. i.e we've had it relatively ok at FDX, so by & large there hasn't been an impetus for the average line guy to delve into the subject, so he lives with his learned experience (military- cuz that's what we knew).
03-01-2012, 09:46 PM
#115
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: Retired
Posts: 980
Herk as I said before it would be much easier to call a lawyer; no way ALPA or FDX would change the CBA.
Here is the appropriate Tennessee statute:
§ 50-1-203. Exclusion from employment for payment of or failure to pay union dues.
It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association of any kind to exclude from employment any person by reason of such person's payment of or failure to pay dues, fees, assessments, or other charges to any labor union or employee organization of any kind. (Enacted 1947.)
Like I also said I am sure ALPA would pull out the big guns to fight you, but it could be fun.
Right to Work States: Tennessee | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation
Maybe I should tell the MEC rebels; they could have the whole contract thrown out and force us into section 6.
Here is the appropriate Tennessee statute:
§ 50-1-203. Exclusion from employment for payment of or failure to pay union dues.
It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association of any kind to exclude from employment any person by reason of such person's payment of or failure to pay dues, fees, assessments, or other charges to any labor union or employee organization of any kind. (Enacted 1947.)
Like I also said I am sure ALPA would pull out the big guns to fight you, but it could be fun.
Right to Work States: Tennessee | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation
Maybe I should tell the MEC rebels; they could have the whole contract thrown out and force us into section 6.
03-02-2012, 02:14 AM
#116
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
03-02-2012, 03:13 AM
#117
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 1,804
03-02-2012, 03:26 AM
#118
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: Retired
Posts: 980
03-02-2012, 04:57 AM
#120
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Position: 787 SO
Posts: 617
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