ABX Air Interview
02-04-2012, 10:16 AM
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ABX Air Interview
I received a call yesterday for an interview and can't find anything recent about their process. Has any of you recently interviewed with them? Sim, ATP written...? Feel free to PM me if you have any up to date info you would like to share with me. I fly corporate, have a wife and kids and this job would require us to make some significant changes to our lifestyle for a couple of years. Thanks in advance!
02-04-2012, 11:17 AM
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Manny...
Make sure you think long and hard before jumping on this gig. Only sure thing in Wilmington, OH is the falling price of real estate and the cow tipping contests on Friday night.
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Make sure you think long and hard before jumping on this gig. Only sure thing in Wilmington, OH is the falling price of real estate and the cow tipping contests on Friday night.
AI
02-04-2012, 12:27 PM
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I'm in the same boat, got the call for an interview yesterday as well. Have been searching but I can't seem to find any current info on the interview process. I would also love to hear any recent information from those in the know.
02-04-2012, 12:45 PM
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I highly recommend steering clear of ABX until word is received about recall of the furloughed ATI/ABX Crewmembers.
The holdings company ATSG that owns ABX Air extended recall rights for ABX Air furloughs to both of the other ATSG carriers, Cappy and ATI. If an ABX guy took a recall to either of those carriers they were seat locked for 2 years from a recall to ABX.
Here's the problem. ATI recently laid off 8 former ABX guys that were involved in the two year lock. These pilots according to both the contract and the side letter that provided their recall to ATI are now removed from the lock and free to be recalled to ABX. All of them have indicate a desire to return (better than unemployment).
Management is using this as bargaining power. They are holding these crewmembers hostage for the ransom of contract relief in the form of an LOA that would extend the length of trips to Asia and extend the contractual deadhead limits. They have clearly indicated that if they get their LOA they will recall these pilots that desire recall.
Needless to say the Union is fighting this vigorously as the company is in clear violation of the contract. It would be extremely unwise to accept a job to ABX until this is resolved. You would be accepting a position that belongs to a furloughed ABX pilot who is fighting for his right to return to employment. Needless to say there would be quite a few folks on the line that wouldn't think highly of new hires replacing these pilots. Its just bad karma at the moment.
There is suppose to be an official answer from the company this week on whether these furloughed pilots will be allowed to return to ABX or whether they will be illegally held from employment in favor of "cheaper" new hires.
Stay tuned...
BTW...If this furlough mess gets resolved, ABX could be a great place to work. If not - it aint' gonna be pretty for a while.
The holdings company ATSG that owns ABX Air extended recall rights for ABX Air furloughs to both of the other ATSG carriers, Cappy and ATI. If an ABX guy took a recall to either of those carriers they were seat locked for 2 years from a recall to ABX.
Here's the problem. ATI recently laid off 8 former ABX guys that were involved in the two year lock. These pilots according to both the contract and the side letter that provided their recall to ATI are now removed from the lock and free to be recalled to ABX. All of them have indicate a desire to return (better than unemployment).
Management is using this as bargaining power. They are holding these crewmembers hostage for the ransom of contract relief in the form of an LOA that would extend the length of trips to Asia and extend the contractual deadhead limits. They have clearly indicated that if they get their LOA they will recall these pilots that desire recall.
Needless to say the Union is fighting this vigorously as the company is in clear violation of the contract. It would be extremely unwise to accept a job to ABX until this is resolved. You would be accepting a position that belongs to a furloughed ABX pilot who is fighting for his right to return to employment. Needless to say there would be quite a few folks on the line that wouldn't think highly of new hires replacing these pilots. Its just bad karma at the moment.
There is suppose to be an official answer from the company this week on whether these furloughed pilots will be allowed to return to ABX or whether they will be illegally held from employment in favor of "cheaper" new hires.
Stay tuned...
BTW...If this furlough mess gets resolved, ABX could be a great place to work. If not - it aint' gonna be pretty for a while.
02-04-2012, 01:02 PM
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NeedAjob,
Thanks for that post. That is the kind of thing I want to know about as there isn't a whole lot of information out there that I would consider to be current. I'm currently at an ALPA carrier and am certainly against jumping in line of furloughs. Absolutely wrong! I really hope that their union wins that one, and I would hope that no one would knowingly take a job in that situation. Of course if you hadn't posted that I would have probably never had a clue until it was too late. That being said, are you currently at ABX and speaking first hand? And if so, minus that "issue", can you give some insight into QOL and general working conditions?
Thanks for that post. That is the kind of thing I want to know about as there isn't a whole lot of information out there that I would consider to be current. I'm currently at an ALPA carrier and am certainly against jumping in line of furloughs. Absolutely wrong! I really hope that their union wins that one, and I would hope that no one would knowingly take a job in that situation. Of course if you hadn't posted that I would have probably never had a clue until it was too late. That being said, are you currently at ABX and speaking first hand? And if so, minus that "issue", can you give some insight into QOL and general working conditions?
02-04-2012, 01:13 PM
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I highly recommend steering clear of ABX until word is received about recall of the furloughed ATI/ABX Crewmembers.
The holdings company ATSG that owns ABX Air extended recall rights for ABX Air furloughs to both of the other ATSG carriers, Cappy and ATI. If an ABX guy took a recall to either of those carriers they were seat locked for 2 years from a recall to ABX.
Here's the problem. ATI recently laid off 8 former ABX guys that were involved in the two year lock. These pilots according to both the contract and the side letter that provided their recall to ATI are now removed from the lock and free to be recalled to ABX. All of them have indicate a desire to return (better than unemployment).
Management is using this as bargaining power. They are holding these crewmembers hostage for the ransom of contract relief in the form of an LOA that would extend the length of trips to Asia and extend the contractual deadhead limits. They have clearly indicated that if they get their LOA they will recall these pilots that desire recall.
Needless to say the Union is fighting this vigorously as the company is in clear violation of the contract. It would be extremely unwise to accept a job to ABX until this is resolved. You would be accepting a position that belongs to a furloughed ABX pilot who is fighting for his right to return to employment. Needless to say there would be quite a few folks on the line that wouldn't think highly of new hires replacing these pilots. Its just bad karma at the moment.
There is suppose to be an official answer from the company this week on whether these furloughed pilots will be allowed to return to ABX or whether they will be illegally held from employment in favor of "cheaper" new hires.
Stay tuned...
BTW...If this furlough mess gets resolved, ABX could be a great place to work. If not - it aint' gonna be pretty for a while.
The holdings company ATSG that owns ABX Air extended recall rights for ABX Air furloughs to both of the other ATSG carriers, Cappy and ATI. If an ABX guy took a recall to either of those carriers they were seat locked for 2 years from a recall to ABX.
Here's the problem. ATI recently laid off 8 former ABX guys that were involved in the two year lock. These pilots according to both the contract and the side letter that provided their recall to ATI are now removed from the lock and free to be recalled to ABX. All of them have indicate a desire to return (better than unemployment).
Management is using this as bargaining power. They are holding these crewmembers hostage for the ransom of contract relief in the form of an LOA that would extend the length of trips to Asia and extend the contractual deadhead limits. They have clearly indicated that if they get their LOA they will recall these pilots that desire recall.
Needless to say the Union is fighting this vigorously as the company is in clear violation of the contract. It would be extremely unwise to accept a job to ABX until this is resolved. You would be accepting a position that belongs to a furloughed ABX pilot who is fighting for his right to return to employment. Needless to say there would be quite a few folks on the line that wouldn't think highly of new hires replacing these pilots. Its just bad karma at the moment.
There is suppose to be an official answer from the company this week on whether these furloughed pilots will be allowed to return to ABX or whether they will be illegally held from employment in favor of "cheaper" new hires.
Stay tuned...
BTW...If this furlough mess gets resolved, ABX could be a great place to work. If not - it aint' gonna be pretty for a while.
02-04-2012, 01:40 PM
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There is a scheduled class on Feb 14 for 14 CVG 767 FOs. I'll repost to let those of you waiting on interviews know whether or not they fill that class entirely with new hires (bad news) or with 8 recalls and 6 new hires (good news).
There are plans for more classes in the coming months to support the delivery of 3 to 4 new (new to ABX) 767s. Everyone's fingers are crossed that the company does the right thing by recalling these pilots "first" then doing whatever they need to with new hires.
In that case, all new hires would be welcome and maybe we could move forward into this growth with some semblance of unity. If not - it'll probably be a cold shoulder to new hires and it will definitely be a deadzone at the negotiating table with the Company. Not pretty for "anyone".
Is it really that hard for everyone (namely the Company) to just do the right thing?
Wouldn't want to be caught in the middle of this until there is a resolution. Fortunately for those interviewing on 2/21, you should have an answer before your interview. If the Company does the wrong thing, I would recommend finding someplace else to go.
My 2 cents
There are plans for more classes in the coming months to support the delivery of 3 to 4 new (new to ABX) 767s. Everyone's fingers are crossed that the company does the right thing by recalling these pilots "first" then doing whatever they need to with new hires.
In that case, all new hires would be welcome and maybe we could move forward into this growth with some semblance of unity. If not - it'll probably be a cold shoulder to new hires and it will definitely be a deadzone at the negotiating table with the Company. Not pretty for "anyone".
Is it really that hard for everyone (namely the Company) to just do the right thing?
Wouldn't want to be caught in the middle of this until there is a resolution. Fortunately for those interviewing on 2/21, you should have an answer before your interview. If the Company does the wrong thing, I would recommend finding someplace else to go.
My 2 cents
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