euroflyer

Hello fellow colleagues,

could you please direct me towards the respective legislation (TSA, FAA, Homeland Security etc...links, documents, further information and so forth) that governs why cargo airlines operating into/in the USA can not have additional persons (such as family members or crew members off duty) on board.

As I understand the current situation to/from/within the USA is:
- Foreign Carrier: Only active/deadhead crew and pre-approved loadmaster/cargo attendants allowed.

-US Carrier: Only active/deadhead/off duty crew members and in special cases employees allowed.

I have heard many myths (ranging from never possible to possible with certain reinforced doors etc..) but have not yet seen nor found (google doesn't show much) any relevant documents concerning this issue.


Thank you very much,

Euroflyer

L'il J.Seinfeld

Didn't you see Cast Away?

4A2B

just search FAR 121 and you will find the rules (legislation) that cover this issue. (in the 121.400-500 range)

euroflyer

Well, Cast Away did have a happy ending, at least for the additional passenger...

Is there a complete FAR 121 document (pdf) that is searchable somewhere?


thx EF

Overnitefr8

But he would have been even happier if he had only opened that other package. At least according to the later FedEx ad.

742Dash

A lot of this falls under exemptions, which really muddies the waters.

11Fan

For those two or three of you who haven't seen it.

Deespatcher

To the OP's question:

121.547 spells out who has cockpit access for 121 carriers. IN short, it gives leeway for anyone the DO has approved, hence the pre 9/11 employee perk at FDX of anyone could jumpseat almost anywhere (with crew consent and some cookies or donuts).

This may a bit dated info since I don't handle any of this stuff anymore:

Back in the day, I heard that Flying Tigers would allow family members to ride in courier seats given there was no Hazmat on board. Any ex-Tigers out there can speak to the accuracy of that, it was just a ramp legend when I was at FDX. Also an ACMI i worked for would allow crew members wives and girlfriends to ride freighters (though usually not both at the same time)


Post 9/11, the FAR didn't change, but the security requirements from the TSA imposed new restrictions. Each air carrier has a security manual that touches on who's allowed. The pax haulers and cargo carriers are differentiated. This allowed all cargo carriers to more easily carry animal handlers and other persons needed to escort special cargo. Under this is how Atlas, Polar, Connie, etc. can carry other airline employees. But, they added that persons with inflight cockpit access had to be properly vetted. It was logical to say if airline A has an employee with crew access, he has been vetted and airline B can allow him cockpit access granted by 121.547. For PAX haulers, CASS was implemented to confirm the person is properly vetted, but only domestic. The all-cargo carriers could still allow riders in the cockpit if they confirmed the persons employment and allow them international rides, but they require advanced notice to verify you. Polar( I think) used to even allow OAL flight attendants by agreement. (IN this case, the "cockpit" includes the courier areas behind since there's no reinforced barrier blocking off the physical cockpit)

The actual regs are in a TSA manual that's usually under lock an key somewhere. If you got your Director of Ops to approve your family member, then got them properly vetted with the TSA with associated background checks, etc... they could legally ride But since the cost and hassle is more than most airlines are willing to shoulder, you're SOL. There is some provision for the reinforced door, but since most all cargo carriers didn't see the cost benefit for adding the doors, they usually aren't there.

Don't know about foreign carriers. Again, this could have all changed.

MD11Fr8Dog

far part 121 pdf - Google Search.

tripleplay

Didn't see the cast away commercial, classic! Anyone else find it strange that Euroflyer would be asking questions about jumpseat protocall on a public board? Pretty sure most European carriers and all USA carriers can answer that for there own employees but hey maybe I am just paranoid.

We all carry guns in the US and have these cool Conan the Barbarian crash axes in the cockpit (liked them so much I bought one for my boat) to guard against foreign jumpseaters.........rightttttt