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Old 01-26-2012, 12:47 PM
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Yeah, I knew what you meant. It would be tough if i was getting furloughed in that I will be limited with no turbine PIC. And the way things are looking, at least another 5-7 years to the most junior CA upgrade here at AA (I celebrate my 12th year here next month.)

Thanks again for all the Fedex intel, you guys sound like a kick a$$ pilot group!
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There are many Comair guys in the exact same situation. Lot's of time, no turbine PIC. Easy to see how that happens during different economic cycles.
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Originally Posted by MX727
There are many Comair guys in the exact same situation. Lot's of time, no turbine PIC. Easy to see how that happens during different economic cycles.

I'm surprised to hear anyone (in this day and age) could end up in the right seat of a 121 carrier without some kind (RJ, turboprop, military?) of turbine PIC time!*?
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Old 01-26-2012, 03:40 PM
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I'm surprised to hear anyone (in this day and age) could end up in the right seat of a 121 carrier without some kind (RJ, turboprop, military?) of turbine PIC time!*?
Today, yes. Back in the 90s... pretty commonplace: everyone was hiring gazillions and according to the law of supply and demand - when there are not enough pilots for too many jobs, the requirements go down. AA only required a college degree and flight time commensurate with experience. No ATP, no turbine PIC required. That said, competitive mins back then were around 3000TT and 1500 TPIC.

Funny story, I actually got my ATP in 2008 when I checked out on the 75/76... AA started typing all F/Os anytime they checked out on a new aircraft... you need an ATP for a type rating... so they had to have a Fed in the sim on my checkride, which became an ATP checkride. It was kind of embarrassing, to say the least.
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
I'm surprised to hear anyone (in this day and age) could end up in the right seat of a 121 carrier without some kind (RJ, turboprop, military?) of turbine PIC time!*?
Some of us were dealt some very different cards throughout the 1990s ...

Been in the right seat of a 121 carrier since 1990, they were called commuters back then. 10 years later I had finally made it to a large 121 airline. I had to "hang out" at the commuter to make sure I had the 1000 turbine PIC before moving on, upgrades were SLOW.

Which brings me to a highly "unbalanced" experience in terms of time in seat.

Without a current logbook to reference, I would estimate 12000 total. With over 10000 of that as turbine SIC (jet & prop).

So there are surely some RJ Captains with half as much total time as myself ... but they have 5 times the turbine PIC in half that time. Who would FedEx hire ?

By now it doesn't matter anymore, I am old and untrainable after UPS ...
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Are they wiling to look at applicants that have turbine PIC but no jet? (All turboprop time)
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:39 PM
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aa,
ever thought of bidding capt at aa during your 20 yrs? you could then get some pic time.
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:42 PM
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Are they wiling to look at applicants that have turbine PIC but no jet? (All turboprop time)
You betcha--tons of former/current Navy P-3 drivers here, as well as USAF C-130 folks. Just try to jumpseat out of JAX or ORF.
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the way I understand it, PIC is about responsibility and leadership, less about "the plane".

1000 PIC Beech 1900 is more valuable than 1000 SIC RJ and no PIC jet/turboprop
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
Some of us were dealt some very different cards throughout the 1990s ...

Been in the right seat of a 121 carrier since 1990, they were called commuters back then. 10 years later I had finally made it to a large 121 airline. I had to "hang out" at the commuter to make sure I had the 1000 turbine PIC before moving on, upgrades were SLOW.

Which brings me to a highly "unbalanced" experience in terms of time in seat.

Without a current logbook to reference, I would estimate 12000 total. With over 10000 of that as turbine SIC (jet & prop).

So there are surely some RJ Captains with half as much total time as myself ... but they have 5 times the turbine PIC in half that time. Who would FedEx hire ?

By now it doesn't matter anymore, I am old and untrainable after UPS ...
My problem is I don't have that 4 yr degree thing that Fedex wants. I left the regionals with about 9000TT and about 5500 PIC Jet..

Seems like there is always the ole catch 22 in this industry. I never have understood what is so magical about 1000 PIC turbine.
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