FDX; Jeez Louise, Here we go again.......
12-23-2011, 09:07 AM
#31
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It seems like all you're concerned about is 3%. How about we tighten the contract language that is repeatedly interpreted to our detriment and get some unity and fix the work rules that gut our standard of living. Reading these posts all I see is 3%, 3%, 3%. So what about 3%? 3% is not our problem.
I am sure that if the Reps vote against the extension, that will really build unity!!!
Please understand, for me, it's not about the 3% raise. Because if I can't live comfortably on what I make now, there is something seriously F^(&@d up with my expenditures! But rather, it has already been negotiated, and to abandon it for no valid reason is ridiculous, and of greater importance is the MEC actually voting so that they truly represent their constituents wants!!
12-23-2011, 10:12 AM
#32
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It seems like all you're concerned about is 3%. How about we tighten the contract language that is repeatedly interpreted to our detriment and get some unity and fix the work rules that gut our standard of living. Reading these posts all I see is 3%, 3%, 3%. So what about 3%? 3% is not our problem.
The company negotiates the sections of the contract they want to open, FDAs, training, travel, workrules,... whatever they decide will make the operation more efficient they negotiate. After they get what they want, and the IPA finalizes their deal, they open up compensation and give us 3% with a bonus of a couple of percent back dated to the amendable date. All of the sections that interest the pilots are then left as they were.
The Mec recommends the contract; my guess to much pressure from the old guys working on their high 5. The membership then approves it by any where from 65 to 90%.
Wait 4 years repeat.
18 months ago we gave up the most leverage we ever had in exchange for 2 3% raises. It was a boneheaded deal. The absolutely only thing that could possibly be more boneheaded is to give one of those 3% payraises away in exchange for absolutely nothing.
12-23-2011, 12:51 PM
#33
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Considering how even the Democrats think cargo pilots are unimportant I don't think it would have worked out very well.
Just one pilot's humble opinion.
Last edited by Gunter; 12-23-2011 at 01:02 PM.
12-23-2011, 01:22 PM
#34
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Guess I hit a nerve with the DW faction...nice first post. I agree that we need to fix the items you mentioned. But why leave the raise on the table? The company is engaged with our negotiating committee now. Don't believe me? Call or email them and ask like I did. It is ludicrous to throw away millions of dollars, just so we can say we are in formal section 6 negotiations. Progress is being made, so for the raise I can wait 12 months for section 6. Just trying to figure out what our picket signs would say if we turn down the raise. How about "They were talking when they didn't have to, but now they have to" or "We gave up 60 million so we could wear our hats and walk in a circle"
12-23-2011, 02:26 PM
#35
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And why this wont work 12 months from now?
12-23-2011, 03:33 PM
#36
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Been through all this before. Have you ever seen an agreement reached so close to the amenable date? How much is that worth? We'd still be negotiating right now.
If you think retro was in our future, you have to consider how expensive SIBA is vs. FDA. That's where our 'retro' would have gone.
If you think retro was in our future, you have to consider how expensive SIBA is vs. FDA. That's where our 'retro' would have gone.
12-23-2011, 04:00 PM
#37
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Been through all this before. Have you ever seen an agreement reached so close to the amenable date? How much is that worth? We'd still be negotiating right now.
If you think retro was in our future, you have to consider how expensive SIBA is vs. FDA. That's where our 'retro' would have gone.
If you think retro was in our future, you have to consider how expensive SIBA is vs. FDA. That's where our 'retro' would have gone.
So - you are saying the company was going to punish us for what is considered the "cost of doing business"
We got a measly 3% (maybe 6%) and the company saves how much?
We still lost!
12-23-2011, 04:23 PM
#38
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Been through all this before. Have you ever seen an agreement reached so close to the amenable date? How much is that worth? We'd still be negotiating right now.
If you think retro was in our future, you have to consider how expensive SIBA is vs. FDA. That's where our 'retro' would have gone.
If you think retro was in our future, you have to consider how expensive SIBA is vs. FDA. That's where our 'retro' would have gone.
But that is not the question. Any reason we had to take the 1st 3% is still valid to take the 2nd 3%. And any reason we had not to take the deal in the 1st place is now moot.
12-23-2011, 07:14 PM
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