Lippy

I wonder just how junior the current crop of 757 dudes are going to get pushed when the 767 wanna be's pile on.

Doogs

...and vice versa. Initial FedEx training was done in "classic" cockpits. No IS&S cockpit sims were available.

TheBaron

Hopefully no one bids 767 until we have a pay rate agreed to (wide-body.)
Awhh...who am I kidding..

Gunter

That's easy. Let's just give them the 777 pay rate.

Adlerdriver

Didn't the 757 guys already bid it via the common type? The company will just add the 767 to the fleet and after some differences training, the 757 guys will fly 'em. An extra day during recurrent along with some CBT and those guys will be full up 767 pilots - no bid required.

The pay needs to be WB, no doubt, but I seriously doubt we'll see a 767 specific bid that could be refused (yah... right) to force the issue.

MaydayMark

Well ... since the 777 didn't qualify for A380 pay (despite DW & BC advising us otherwise!*?), maybe we can agrue the 767 should get it. After all, it's in the contract. Why would it be there if NOBODY actually gets that rate (does management get it)?

Pakagecheck

Actually, the 757 guys specifically bid the 757 as referenced on the bid and the contract under pay rates. Regardless that it is a same type rating, it is a new aircraft in service (as per the contract) and has to be dealt with as such. Now, If our guys start flying them like the 777 before pay rates are established, then it will be simple if arbitrated. Once again, we are our own worst enemy. Stay the line. It is a wide body airplane replacing a wide body airplane!

iarapilot

Very good advice.

RedeyeAV8r

You mean like when the MD-10 started showing up?

If you were here you will recall there were MD-11 Pilots and DC-10 Pilots.

Nobody Bid the MD10, it just showed up and was in the MD-11 Bidpack because it is a common type.

Lets not get too wrapped around the axle.

Most likely the 767 will simply be incorporated into the existing 757 Bid pack as was the MD10 and as is the A310 is in the A300 bidpack. I would imagine that in the next year or two all 757 pilots will get differences training and maybe 1 or 2 sims in a 767 and voila we will instantly have 300 plus 0r minus, new 767 qualified pilots with no bid required.

Section 26K covers a new aircraft acquisition.
There is a Contractual requirement to go to arbitration if the Union and MGT cannot agree on a pay rate before it enters service. What are the odds that will happen? No predictions on how that will turn out, but the requirement is there.

Should the 767 pay widebody rates? In my opinion it certainly should. Funny thing is Management never asks my opinion.

No use bickering about it, its covered in the contract, good bad indifferent.

Pakagecheck

Yes, I was here when the MD10 started showing up. The difference is that the MD10 is a wide body aircraft that got incorporated into a wide body bid pack and pay scale. Why would we argue that? Same with the 310. The 767 is a wide body aircraft that most likely will be incorporated into a narrow body bid pack. Big difference.

You are correct and as I referenced it is covered in the contract. However, If it goes to arbitration our actions will definitely be taken into account.

You are also correct in that we don't need to get wrapped around the axle. I don't get the impression that anyone is yet. We do however need to get educated on the possibllites and what ramifications our individual actions can have.