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#21
You're missing the whole point of this thread. Our government is acknowledging that "freight boys" are better pilots than the likes of UAL and DAL pilots, by mandating that freight pilots do not need as much rest to do the same job as pax carriers.
And, just so you're not confused...when I say "mandating", I'm not referring to what you do with your male flight attendants. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
And, just so you're not confused...when I say "mandating", I'm not referring to what you do with your male flight attendants. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
And we like to think of ourselves as intelligent.
Well played on the mandate too.
#22
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Based on the direction this thread took and the lack of comprehension by some, we are screwed.
Skeebo made an excellent post highlighting what the Washington elite think of cargo pilots. Busboy explained it to those who didn't get it. A few folks would be well served to edit or delete their posts.
Skeebo made an excellent post highlighting what the Washington elite think of cargo pilots. Busboy explained it to those who didn't get it. A few folks would be well served to edit or delete their posts.
#24
Same airspace
When that well rested 76 passenger carrier crew is on takeoff roll, I sure hope that ultra tired, up all night on min rest, cargo crew does not miss the hold short radio call, while crossing mid-field. This is the picture that needs to be painted to Congress. We all share the same air transportation system, what or who is behind the cockpit door is irrelevant.
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Position: Re-reading George Orwell's 'Animal Farm' and getting scared...
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#27
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When that well rested 76 passenger carrier crew is on takeoff roll, I sure hope that ultra tired, up all night on min rest, cargo crew does not miss the hold short radio call, while crossing mid-field. This is the picture that needs to be painted to Congress. We all share the same air transportation system, what or who is behind the cockpit door is irrelevant.
#28
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When that well rested 76 passenger carrier crew is on takeoff roll, I sure hope that ultra tired, up all night on min rest, cargo crew does not miss the hold short radio call, while crossing mid-field. This is the picture that needs to be painted to Congress. We all share the same air transportation system, what or who is behind the cockpit door is irrelevant.
#29
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Based on the direction this thread took and the lack of comprehension by some, we are screwed.
Skeebo made an excellent post highlighting what the Washington elite think of cargo pilots. Busboy explained it to those who didn't get it. A few folks would be well served to edit or delete their posts.
Skeebo made an excellent post highlighting what the Washington elite think of cargo pilots. Busboy explained it to those who didn't get it. A few folks would be well served to edit or delete their posts.
As for the issue at hand, we have to start with a good dose of reality. People who are paid to do a job, and who are trained in "the system", are expected to take risks that the general public is not. This is why ferry permits exclude the carriage of passengers. It is why factories have yellow lines that visitors can not cross. It is why your local garage does not let customers into the bays.
So the thought that cargo pilots, or for that matter any flight crew on an airplane that is not carrying the general public, is entitled to the same protections as Joe Schmuck who just bought a ticket off of the Internet is deeply flawed and is not going to work.
However a strong argument can be made with regard to system integrity and that fatigue creates risks outside of the specific airplane. That approach has some legs.
But beware -- we may not like the results. We pilots are pretty good at numbers but really, really bad at understanding how other people are going to approach issues. And in this case the result for us could easily be less pay and more time away from home. Maybe that is right; maybe we do need to make drastic changes in the system. But anyone out there beating this drum thinking that their life is going to be better for it -- time to back off a few steps and think it through from different angles.
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