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04-29-2012, 01:05 PM
#231
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
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We just did a takeoff out of Afghanistan (747-400), with a full cargo load, but a relatively light fuel load. We had about 1300' of stop margin, on a runway that was over 11,000 feet long. It took a LONG time to get to Vrotate....and we probably took about 8000 feet of actual pavement (at least) to leave the ground.
04-29-2012, 04:21 PM
#233
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Right Seat switch monkey
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the special tech in the sim if i remember was @ about 600k, flaps 20, 80kts
flaps 25 and rotate @ 100kts that will get you airborne in about 2500 feet. Not real world or anything i would attempt in the A/C but in the sim it worked every-time. that was at Sea level.
Now fail 1 or 4 right after rotation and watch the fun!
I think the guys info came from someone @ EZ helicopters.
flaps 25 and rotate @ 100kts that will get you airborne in about 2500 feet. Not real world or anything i would attempt in the A/C but in the sim it worked every-time. that was at Sea level.
Now fail 1 or 4 right after rotation and watch the fun!
I think the guys info came from someone @ EZ helicopters.
04-29-2012, 10:32 PM
#234
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Retired
Posts: 651
the special tech in the sim if i remember was @ about 600k, flaps 20, 80kts
flaps 25 and rotate @ 100kts that will get you airborne in about 2500 feet. Not real world or anything i would attempt in the A/C but in the sim it worked every-time. that was at Sea level.
Now fail 1 or 4 right after rotation and watch the fun!
I think the guys info came from someone @ EZ helicopters.
flaps 25 and rotate @ 100kts that will get you airborne in about 2500 feet. Not real world or anything i would attempt in the A/C but in the sim it worked every-time. that was at Sea level.
Now fail 1 or 4 right after rotation and watch the fun!
I think the guys info came from someone @ EZ helicopters.
04-30-2012, 06:39 PM
#235
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Doghouse Captain
Posts: 42
It's not about accuracy, it's about the procedure, which was developed by the Air Force for use by the E4 in a dire situation on a battle damaged runway. During the first gulf war, some of the planes were caught on the ground during Scud attacks, and after the flying into Afganistan started, the procedure started showing up in sim practice to show the crews what could be done in bad situation. It has never been an approved procedure. I seriously doubt it has ever been used unless the Air Force practiced in the plane.
04-30-2012, 09:39 PM
#236
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 744 CA
Posts: 4,772
With out pulling some charts I find it hard to believe that at flaps 25 at 600K..... the aircraft would fly at 100 knots... final "bug" speed for an approach at that speed is in the ball park of 145-150 knots.....now....do that at maybe 400K pounds maybe....but you would be on the bloody edge.
05-01-2012, 04:48 AM
#237
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 307
That is the bloody point, flying on the edge. The instructor I had at United taught Air force 1 pilots and we held the wheel back to stick shaker and kept it there. On the edge, yes, but effective. We also tried the landing technique, now that was sporty! The Whale is an amazing bird that can do amazing things. If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
05-01-2012, 04:52 AM
#238
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,982
That is the bloody point, flying on the edge. The instructor I had at United taught Air force 1 pilots and we held the wheel back to stick shaker and kept it there. On the edge, yes, but effective. We also tried the landing technique, now that was sporty! The Whale is an amazing bird that can do amazing things. If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
You must have been with Moose and Danny....absolutely the best instruction I've ever had.
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