Age 60 and the B-Fund
09-29-2006, 07:15 PM
#71
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FXDX,
I am 45, and I am in favor of changing mandatory retirement to 65.
I also believe you should be able to retire at 60 if you would like, without penalty. That will have to be negotiated, should the Congress change the rules. You should also be able to retire if you lose your medical after 60, without penalty.
You want the guys ahead of you to get out of the way, I can understand that. But what about the guys that just lost their pensions? Pensions that they planned to live on in retirement? You are more than willing to say "screw them"? Would you feel that way if you were 59? I doubt it.
You worry about the guys on furlough. Well, if they want to fly that bad, I hear the overseas airlines are hiring. That is your solution for the over 60 guys, if it is good enough for them, it should be good enough for the furloughees. Shouldn't it?
Why should an American give up their job at 60, while foreign pilots over 60 are allowed to fly in our airspace under the same regulations? Why should a guy have to give up his job at 60, then go get another job that will allow him to fly in the same airspace, but for a different employer?
The issue is all about money. The over 60 guys want to keep making it, the young guys want them out of the way so they can make it. There is no safety issue here, or we would be talking about prohibiting the foreign airlines from letting their older folks in our airspace.
My social security age is now 67. Theoretically, I should be able to work until then, or that should not be my social security age.
Do I want to work until 65? No, but 63 would be ok. I just want the choice, and you don't want me to have it.
I am 45, and I am in favor of changing mandatory retirement to 65.
I also believe you should be able to retire at 60 if you would like, without penalty. That will have to be negotiated, should the Congress change the rules. You should also be able to retire if you lose your medical after 60, without penalty.
You want the guys ahead of you to get out of the way, I can understand that. But what about the guys that just lost their pensions? Pensions that they planned to live on in retirement? You are more than willing to say "screw them"? Would you feel that way if you were 59? I doubt it.
You worry about the guys on furlough. Well, if they want to fly that bad, I hear the overseas airlines are hiring. That is your solution for the over 60 guys, if it is good enough for them, it should be good enough for the furloughees. Shouldn't it?
Why should an American give up their job at 60, while foreign pilots over 60 are allowed to fly in our airspace under the same regulations? Why should a guy have to give up his job at 60, then go get another job that will allow him to fly in the same airspace, but for a different employer?
The issue is all about money. The over 60 guys want to keep making it, the young guys want them out of the way so they can make it. There is no safety issue here, or we would be talking about prohibiting the foreign airlines from letting their older folks in our airspace.
My social security age is now 67. Theoretically, I should be able to work until then, or that should not be my social security age.
Do I want to work until 65? No, but 63 would be ok. I just want the choice, and you don't want me to have it.
And I already said that IF I change my mind when I get older I will be man enough to play by the rules, not claim foul because I didn't save enough money, and go find another way to support my family.
I agree with Sandman too, it its not about safety then why does one guy have to be under 60? Explain that to me please.
If this passes and there isn't a nationwide sickout by everyone under 60 then it will be time to think about doing something else, because we will certainly be a bunch of puswas if we don't.
Think about that. If the under 60 guy doesn't fell so good, that over 60 can't exactly fly his flight without him. If everybody under 60 doesn't feel so well how are any of the jets going to fly?
If ALPA doesn't even support the majority's opinion on the issue it will be tough for the NMB to fine ALPA for a nationwide under 60 sickout.
Just something for all of us under 60 to ponder.
10-02-2006, 05:24 AM
#74
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10-02-2006, 07:46 AM
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Regards,
Clutch
10-02-2006, 11:06 AM
#78
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Well then I guess us Old Farts with a couple of previous airlines, furloughs, and Chptr 11s under our belt should just slink into poverty at age 60 and let you young bucks have free reign. The young and wise have spoken.
10-02-2006, 12:49 PM
#79
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Son, you have a few things to ponder after you recover from your tantrum. Did holding your breath work with mommy?
10-02-2006, 02:33 PM
#80
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FH-
You do not further your case when you act like such an @sswipe. Come on and act your age. The over 60 arguemnet has enough of an uphill battle on this forum without your snide scab remarks.
You do not further your case when you act like such an @sswipe. Come on and act your age. The over 60 arguemnet has enough of an uphill battle on this forum without your snide scab remarks.
