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Old 08-01-2011, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
We made the 57 pay "narrow body" so we could have A380 pay rates that have benefited those that bid it so well

Why would we want to screw those guys just to make the 57 pay better?
Hey Max,

I understand your frustration. I was still around when the company snookered us on 75 rates. Although I know most of the guys on the 777, most bid it without a negotiated rate ; so it must have been enough.

I don't know if you can recapture premium rates for the 777, but seems the 75 rates might be a little easier to tackle. The next contract for many carriers will determine the worth of our profession in the forseeable future.

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Originally Posted by FedElta
Hey Max,

I understand your frustration. I was still around when the company snookered us on 75 rates. Although I know most of the guys on the 777, most bid it without a negotiated rate ; so it must have been enough.

I don't know if you can recapture premium rates for the 777, but seems the 75 rates might be a little easier to tackle. The next contract for many carriers will determine the worth of our profession in the forseeable future.

Good luck to us all,
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Fedelta,
I would venture to say that at this point, the majority of pilot on the 777 bid it after there was a pay rate. It has grown a lot since the initial cadre.
(I know that I bid it after it had a rate).
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Originally Posted by FedElta
Hey Max,

I understand your frustration. I was still around when the company snookered us on 75 rates.

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It was BC who rejected the 757 W/B rate in exchange for A380 rates...
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Originally Posted by FDX28
It was BC who rejected the 757 W/B rate in exchange for A380 rates...

Ummm ... because he and DW were senior enough to bid it and get? (Part of our, "I got mine" crowd?
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Originally Posted by FDX28
It was BC who rejected the 757 W/B rate in exchange for A380 rates...
FDX & Walrus,

Wow, I stand corrected. I'm not sure how I missed that little tidbit. Walrus, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that to all, or paint with such a broad stroke.

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No worries Fdelta, just frustrated with the majority here as a whole who still use the "they bid it without a pay rate" mentality. The 777 has been here going on three years now, and many of those currently rated on it bid it knowing that we had been screwed by the company, as well as the early bidders. Bottom line is it is a legitimate airframe at fedex and should not continue to have the scarlet letter attached for the previous actions of a small percentage of pilots.
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Originally Posted by FedElta
I know most of the guys on the 777, most bid it without a negotiated rate

Good luck to us all,
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Sounds like you know many who bid it without a payrate.

Since you're at Delta, can you offer an opinion on how these guys compare to Delta pilots. Personality wise that is.

many of us think our no pay rate guys are one ways.
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Old 08-01-2011, 05:25 PM
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legitimate airframe at fedex and should not continue to have the scarlet letter attached for the previous actions of a small percentage of pilots.
I think it is the custom lanyards, triple 7 embroidered shirts, booting of J/S and other antics that keeps the rest of us rolling eyes when a "we fly the Triple" crew walks in
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That is how we distinguish the initial cadre from the rest of us. But remember, they all came from other airframes.
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That is how we distinguish the initial cadre from the rest of us. But remember, they all came from other airframes.
oh.... I thought they were direct hires from the retiring space shuttle program
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