MeXC

Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Haven't you ever heard that a pilot isn't happy unless he's complaining?

JustUnderPar

You need to get your FQS app in at UPS ASAP

kc135driver

You can't be a professional airline pilot without hating who you work for in some fashion. After being furloughed twice and soon to be placed behind those hired way after me, I honestly have a hard time understanding where the angst is coming from at UPS. Of course, I have not walked a mile in their shoes so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

Swedish Blender

Let's see...your biggest competitor is buying airplanes, hiring, and growing. They have 6 year upgrades, UPS has pilots on furlough and upgrade, well...

You don't get things that other companies get, ex: free Internet on layovers, breakfast, or decent catering on flights(domestic, int'l isnt bad) just to name a few. Also, 100+ non union management pilots to take up the slack.

How's that for starters.

Duksrule

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt most times too but if free Internet on layovers, breakfast, or decent catering on flights are the things that are wrong with UPS then I think you should all quit. It is hard to hear that someone that makes what a UPS pilot makes is upset about this stuff. I am not saying that there aren't things to be upset about but come on. I imagine that there are a line of people that would gladly take those hardships to make that money.

finedavefine

Duksrule,

That's twice you've mentioned UPS pilot salary, and how you can't understand why someone making that amount has anything at all to complain about. Actually, it's human nature to complain about things, and the UPS guys have plenty to complain about. As for pay, yeah, well, it's really good, but you need to understand that once you've grown accustomed to it, it doesn't seem like all that much. At that point you start to wake up to the injustices that are happening all around you, when at the start of your employment, you just didn't see them. Then, if you look at the rest of your industry, or more specifically, your competitors, and see that they're growing, while you're shrinking, and they're taking delivery of additional lift, while you're staying stagnant, or worse, getting rid of jets, you'll understand the frustration that is expressed here. I understand that you feel they shouldn't complain, but being in their shoes, it's hard not to, and it has nothing to do with the benefits that other segments of the aviation industry enjoy, it's only about theirs.

The Walrus

If the top of the industry doesn't complain and try to improve the work environment, then the people trying to make their way to the top will, when they arrive, have nothing.

Freightpuppy

I try to be positive, go to work, have a good time with the crews on layovers and not give UPS an iota of a thought when I am at home but reading the B&G makes it really hard to stay positive. While I don't think management sits around at meetings and says "How can we mess with the pilots?" they really really make things unnecessarily difficult around here. They definitely don't get the "you catch more bees with honey" theory.

Shaggy1970

With this kind of attitude I can see why guys like you are ready to jump into the business at 16K a year! Whoooo Hoooooo Don't pass judgement until you have been strung along like the bottom 300 at UPS for the past four years. You have a job, you don't, you have a job and now you don't. 104 Families are still trying to get by while our company makes 1 Billion a quarter and are CEO gives himself a 750% raise. There are so many more problems here than I have time for or care care to elaborate for you. Bottom line, its not how great the pay is at UPS but rather how every other professional pilot out there is working for pennies on the dollar thanks to attitude like yours! So please do us all a favor and shut your pie hole.

Pilot7576

Shaggy...

That is a bit harsh. Duksrule has some salient points. We complain about catering, internet, furloughs, etc., but at the same time we're making good coin. There are other airlines out there with furloughs and a host of problems that makes ours look insignificant.

While I wish ups was leaning forward for the economy, the reality is that they have always been very careful moving forward. The reality is that we will probably never have more than 3000 pilots and the upgrade times are going to be 15 yrs +. The good side is that a ups 15 yr fo is making more than a delta capt and can count on job security. Those at the bottom (at any airline) will always be subject to furlough, no matter what is preached at indoc.

JMO

Pilot7576