why UPS is better than FedEx
05-11-2011, 08:30 AM
#112
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Some of you guys would have valid points but it's lost in all the unbelievable bull crap commentary ("wa wa, our uniforms are brown, we should have Armani suits" or "you should have seen what UPS wanted", blah blah blah.
You know what? I don't care what they proposed 80 friggin years ago. I like the uniform we have now. Some of you are over the top! OMG! My 3 year old whines less than some of you guys. LOL
You know what? I don't care what they proposed 80 friggin years ago. I like the uniform we have now. Some of you are over the top! OMG! My 3 year old whines less than some of you guys. LOL
05-11-2011, 10:21 AM
#113
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Some of you guys would have valid points but it's lost in all the unbelievable bull crap commentary ("wa wa, our uniforms are brown, we should have Armani suits" or "you should have seen what UPS wanted", blah blah blah..........
.......Some of you are over the top! OMG! My 3 year old whines less than some of you guys. LOL
.......Some of you are over the top! OMG! My 3 year old whines less than some of you guys. LOL
05-11-2011, 02:44 PM
#115
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... We work for money. Yes, its nice to work at a job that appreciates your hard work, respects you and provides a comfortable work environment but in the end however, this is not why we go to work. We work for pay (including benefits/retirement). Looking at the two pay scales UPS pays quite a bit more than Fed-EX. It would take a Fed-EX FE 13 years or 10 years as a narrow body FO to make what UPS would pay in 2 years. I know that life isn't all about money but if, God willing, I were to get hired at UPS someday I would use that money wisely, invest it and perhaps retire a few years early. After the first year, I could afford to take a nice vacation somewhere, perhaps take a few extra days off or give to those in need. I don't need a big boat, mansion or ocean front property nor do I care for those kind of things. It would be nice however to live comfortably, let my wife stay at home and raise the kids, help my children with college, help out family members and the list goes on and on. UPS helps you to achieve that kind of life quickly. You don't have to wait 5 or 10 years of "pretty good money" until you start making "really good money." If you need someone to pat you on the back and tell you how great you are, then maybe FedEX or Southwest is for you but if you are like me and just want to work hard and go home and enjoy the fruits of your labor than there is no doubt in my mind that UPS is the place to be. Besides, I doubt that UPS management is just waiting for opportunities to screw its pilot over. I'm not saying that Fed-Ex sucks just that UPS is better.
First, many opposing comments contained in your post. "Yes, its nice to work at a job that appreciates your hard work, respects you and provides a comfortable work environment but in the end however..We work for money." "We work for pay (including benefits/retirement)" and "I don't need a big boat, mansion or ocean front property nor do I care for those kind of things." So you don't really care about the work environment as long as you get the cash, but you do say "It would be nice however to live comfortably"
I get what you are trying to say, but your missing the relationship between how your work like affects the quality of your homelife. With or without the money.
However, if money means alot like you say, perhaps a non aviation career as a high priced lawyer or accountant might be more fruitful to realize your dreams. Then could use some of the cash for a fun airplane on the side and perhaps beat our divorce rate and be even wealthier.
You comment on the lifestyle you dream and that "UPS helps you to achieve that kind of life quickly" If you live modestly as you state, then will achieve your dreams at many places beside FedEx or UPS.
Can assure you as a pilot for Uncle Brown, that my friends at Uncle Fred's have the same quality of lifestyle as us. We are two peas in the pod flying international routes and domestic routes same time of day and night.
If we sat back and did hangar flying (Bellyaching and same time bragging) and only rule was 'don't say your company name" we would be indistinguishable to you.
Regarding your last comment.
True, UPS management doesn't sit around and look for ways to "screw its pilot (sic) over" but opposite is true: They take no leadership role to prevent circumstances that cause challenges. UPS relies on management, not leadership and so it does get screwed up far too many times. It's a very profitable business, we just wish management would take it a bit more seriously since a good quality of work life is very possible at UPS.
Last edited by SaltyDog; 05-11-2011 at 02:59 PM.
05-11-2011, 08:11 PM
#116
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
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I agree with Freightpuppy about the uniforms. I don't really get the hang up. The ties are fugly, but I've got a closet full of black/gold and blue/silver and they aren't of any greater quality than our brown tootsie roll suits. I still haven't found my hat(s) anywhere though...
@SaltyDog, well said! You're always the voice of reason. When are you running for office? Seriously.
@SaltyDog, well said! You're always the voice of reason. When are you running for office? Seriously.
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