FDXLAG

What Passover, same payscale.

In theory both should go to MD training in order of seniority. The company has discovered it costs them very little to violate this provision of the CBA though.

24.D.1 Except as provided in Section 24.D.2., D.3. and D.4., (below), required training for a crew position shall be scheduled by system seniority, senior first, for that crew position.

Lindy

The Airbus F/O would not get passover pay because it is the same pay rate from Airbus F/O to MD-11 F/O.

The company can train the junior S/O prior to the Airbus F/O, if they want. It is their call, the company controls the training letter.

FXDX

I hate to parrot the company line, but you really should just bid what you want to fly. Trying to game passover is a fool's game. Passover is very narrow in scope, I suggest you go to section 24D of the contract and read it, its not very long.

You can perhaps judge which aircraft will allow you to leave your current seat quicker than another, but even that can be a crap shoot. All things being equal you will probably train (and thus leave your current seat) sooner if you go to a more junior aircraft/seat (ie the 75) than if you bid a wide body seat.

The company has delayed training to keep certain seats manned in the past, and if your training is delayed by the company, and a pilot who held the same seat you held (but haven't been trained in) you will start to get passover once that pilot activates into that seat. You will get it until you activate or withdraw from training.

Probably not worth trying to figure out what the training letter will look like when bidding for a vacancy bid, but who knows. Even trying to guess when you will go to training is a swag, as the slots (which is all you really are assigned) change even after the training letter is posted.

Good luck.

Fr8doggie

Ok thanks all. Yeah, duh about passover for a lateral bid. Brain's not functioning fully lately with trying to find crystal ball with options for bid relative to consequences of outcomes. It is tough when so many opportunities present themselves, but each with their own pros and cons. All us junior folk can do is reach out to those who may have experienced previous MOABs to gain insight to how these things play out.

In the end, to bid what/where you want to end up is best advice. If it takes 18 months, so be it.

FXDX

Keep in mind, if you are REALLY junior, this may be your only opportunity to get on a widebody for the next couple of bids. Probably not, but you never know. If you really want to end up on a widebody, it would be best to get on it now, even if you may be forced to wait a little longer to move up. That would also minimize the number of training evolutions you would have to endure.

If commuting/QOL is more the issue, it would probably make more sense to do a couple of years in the 75 before jumping over to the widebody fleet.