HF on R220
04-14-2011, 09:54 AM
#61
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Some of the French controllers sound like a cross between Jean Girard from Talladega Nights and Inspector Clouseau. "I said 'ead-eeng un sees ze-roh Ricky Bobby!"
04-14-2011, 11:16 AM
#62
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Agreed. Of everywhere in the world that I've operated into, I have the most trouble understanding the female Japanese controllers. No problem with the men, but the women and my ear never seem to get along. Just thinking about in now, I seem to have the same trouble with my better half. Guess it's me.
04-15-2011, 02:46 PM
#64
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Correct. I spoke to an ANC ARTCC controller, Kevin, who works the R220 sector, and he make these points:
ATC gets the HF prim/sec freqs via teletype from both SF and Tokyo. They are displayed right in front of the controller's face. Updates are sent multiple times per day. If the controller doesn't give you them (there is no requirement for them to), just ask. It's not a big effort for the controller.
The radar and VHF coverage gaps are nearly identical: going westbound, they're from about 20nm east of NULUK to 100nm east of NATES.
ADS-equipped aircraft give them a radar-like "blips on their ATC display; aircraft with ADS and CPDLC have additional data around the blip.
It's rare that they have to initiate an HF call to an aircraft who's in the coverage gap. If they can't reach you via CPDLC or HF, they will try 121.5 or relay through another aircraft.
ATC gets the HF prim/sec freqs via teletype from both SF and Tokyo. They are displayed right in front of the controller's face. Updates are sent multiple times per day. If the controller doesn't give you them (there is no requirement for them to), just ask. It's not a big effort for the controller.
The radar and VHF coverage gaps are nearly identical: going westbound, they're from about 20nm east of NULUK to 100nm east of NATES.
ADS-equipped aircraft give them a radar-like "blips on their ATC display; aircraft with ADS and CPDLC have additional data around the blip.
It's rare that they have to initiate an HF call to an aircraft who's in the coverage gap. If they can't reach you via CPDLC or HF, they will try 121.5 or relay through another aircraft.
04-15-2011, 03:09 PM
#65
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Correct. I spoke to an ANC ARTCC controller, Kevin, who works the R220 sector, and he make these points:
ATC gets the HF prim/sec freqs via teletype from both SF and Tokyo. They are displayed right in front of the controller's face. Updates are sent multiple times per day. If the controller doesn't give you them (there is no requirement for them to), just ask. It's not a big effort for the controller.
The radar and VHF coverage gaps are nearly identical: going westbound, they're from about 20nm east of NULUK to 100nm east of NATES.
ADS-equipped aircraft give them a radar-like "blips on their ATC display; aircraft with ADS and CPDLC have additional data around the blip.
It's rare that they have to initiate an HF call to an aircraft who's in the coverage gap. If they can't reach you via CPDLC or HF, they will try 121.5 or relay through another aircraft.
ATC gets the HF prim/sec freqs via teletype from both SF and Tokyo. They are displayed right in front of the controller's face. Updates are sent multiple times per day. If the controller doesn't give you them (there is no requirement for them to), just ask. It's not a big effort for the controller.
The radar and VHF coverage gaps are nearly identical: going westbound, they're from about 20nm east of NULUK to 100nm east of NATES.
ADS-equipped aircraft give them a radar-like "blips on their ATC display; aircraft with ADS and CPDLC have additional data around the blip.
It's rare that they have to initiate an HF call to an aircraft who's in the coverage gap. If they can't reach you via CPDLC or HF, they will try 121.5 or relay through another aircraft.
Waiting for more flight instruction from the experts.
And what fun would that be?
04-15-2011, 04:44 PM
#66
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Why some people try to make an easy job so hard is beyond me.
07-06-2011, 07:30 PM
#69
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If they do not give me the freqs, then I just press on. Eventually, they will send them via CPDLC. I am not sure why they do not just pass them on while in vhf contact, but if they don't want to go through the hassle to do so, then they can type it to me when they want to talk. The way I look at it, I've got nothing but time on my hands while flying over. If they post or broadcast the freqs, then I am more than happy to check in on them and get a sel call check, and if not, I know where I am going, and they know where I am. No sweat will drip from my nads. I just do not understand their game that they like to play. Most other places throughout the world they tend to pass on their secrets instead of keep them so close to the breast.
07-07-2011, 04:55 AM
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Mg2
Interloper alert :
Back in the stone age, FDX had a guy named B_b Gior______0, who was the ATC Liason. One little call took care of the pesky little issues like Anc atc freq sharing. He was the best schmoozer I ever saw.....he also kept many of our guys out of the FAA certificate action spotlight.
If there is a current ATC Liason, give him a quick call, then the web board can get back to arrows for LK.
Regards,
BG
Back in the stone age, FDX had a guy named B_b Gior______0, who was the ATC Liason. One little call took care of the pesky little issues like Anc atc freq sharing. He was the best schmoozer I ever saw.....he also kept many of our guys out of the FAA certificate action spotlight.
If there is a current ATC Liason, give him a quick call, then the web board can get back to arrows for LK.
Regards,
BG
